The Original 50 Specialist

Go Back   SportbikesWest.com > Discussion Topics - Sportbikes West > General Sportbike Discussion
Home Forums Gallery iTrader Register FAQ Members List Calendar Arcade Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

General Sportbike Discussion Let's talk about motorcycles.


Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 02-18-2005, 12:56 AM   #11
SilverSurfer
Newbie
 

Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Foothill Ranch, CA
Posts: 86
iTrader: (0)
Rep Power: 4 SilverSurfer is on a distinguished road (10)
Send a message via Yahoo to SilverSurfer
Default

Scout, I hear you. I even agree with you.

The problem is, when you're nearly killed, you can't exactly think with a straight head or control every emotion. It's impossible, for me at least.
SilverSurfer is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 02-18-2005, 01:00 AM   #12
Scout
Newbie
 

Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Bakersfield, CA
Posts: 77
iTrader: (0)
Rep Power: 5 Scout is on a distinguished road (10)
Default

I know exactly how you feel. I've been riding a number of years, and it really effects me when I have my wife on pillion. I've even pulled over to clear my head, because when we reach that state, we're no longer riding at 100% acuity.

But it is our decision to act or not.
__________________
Every choice you make can be traced back to the instinctual need to seek pleasure, and avoid pain. These two forces are interconnected, different sides to the same coin.

The Ride Of My Life - Mat Hoffman
Scout is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 02-18-2005, 08:57 AM   #13
Throttlepimp
Track Junkie
 

Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: South of the 78.
Posts: 1,202
iTrader: (0)
Rep Power: 5 Throttlepimp is on a distinguished road (39)
Default Re: Yeah THATS what was said!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Scout
Quote:
Originally Posted by Throttlepimp
... pigtesticle takes this chance to get around me and into the turn lane to enter the freeway on ramp heading North. ....
If he'd been responding to your family member being attacked, victimized, etc. I'm sure you'd still be calling him that, right?

I mean, how dare he not stop because you ALMOST got hit. Arguably, you have "almost" hit every vehicle you've passed while splitting lanes (in the cagers narrow viewpoint).

anyway-

I don't condone the drivers actions in any way. Since I've been riding, I've almost been taken out several times. So have most riders.

BUT-

If you attacked his vehicle, you went the extra step. You have entered the realm of misdemeanor, my friend. You escalated the situation, and then took action. Not good for you, and not good for riders.

Look, you got's to chill bud. You've experienced "road-rage", and that's a big escalation from simply being pissed. You might want to check that.
Oofa, I'm in no way calling the Officer "pigtesticle", if that's what your thinking. That was for the victim* in the 4 Runner. If you follow the context of the sentence it's a word describing the subject. Maybe I should have placed any deriding reference to pork further away from any mention of a peace officer. It never even occurred to me even at the time to call the police person any name** other than Sir or Ma'am. As in "Sir or Ma'am please help me get this guy off the road".

Normally (if a safe chance presents its self) I'll just tap on someones window and give them the "No no no" finger shake. I try not to get to caught up in this for fear of running over something in the road trying to get the attention of the driver. Or a favorite is at a stop to tell them thier blinkers are broken, then when they apply them and they work just calmly say "maybe you should use them if there not broken then." Great reactions to that one!

I took the extra step in this case becuase he out right said he would "run me off the road". This guy was not the average inconciderate, unaware or uneducated driver.

I don't condone any physical action towards any vehicle outweighing a bike by 1500 lbs. or more. But I'd have to say in this scenario the only thing I'd do different is get a picture of the vehicle and post it with a warning, "possibly intoxicated definitely a danger to all on the road".

*of supidity.

**Although I did once call an officer "a gun wielding revenuer" to his face but thats anohter story. :moon
__________________
An adreneal gland is a terrible thing to waste...
Throttlepimp is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 02-18-2005, 09:53 AM   #14
Lewdicrous
Canyon Carver
 

Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: In my chair
Posts: 601
iTrader: (0)
Rep Power: 5 Lewdicrous is on a distinguished road (10)
Send a message via ICQ to Lewdicrous Send a message via AIM to Lewdicrous Send a message via MSN to Lewdicrous Send a message via Yahoo to Lewdicrous
Default

ppsshh
Kick his ass Seabass!!*


*although I do not condone violence**




**unless I am involved in giving the ass-kicking
__________________
If you aint got no cash, I aint got no wiener!



SoCal Bike Nights

-Jake :hump
West Siieeeeede Newbury Park
Lewdicrous is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 02-18-2005, 10:54 AM   #15
ABearden
Canyon Carver
 

Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 571
iTrader: (0)
Rep Power: 5 ABearden is on a distinguished road (10)
Default

Although everyone says they don't agree with the violence, and I'll be called "young & ignorant," I completely agree with you. Once he said that he'd run you off the road, I see that as criminal intent and premeditation for attempted murder. If they only way he'll learn is by personally paying for the damages (due to his stupidity and arogance) then so be it. Honestly, pointing a gun (not firing, soley as an intimidation factor) at his face probably would have scared him straight a little better and equalized the threat difference, but this ain't Texas. They wouldn't pull that **** with a semi because they know they have no chance, why should they with a bike just because they have the mass advantage?

Sometimes, simple human minds only understand two things for behavior correction: fear and pain. That comment he made pretty much puts him squarely in the "simple" domain.
ABearden is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 02-18-2005, 03:09 PM   #16
ca249
Squid
 

Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Baja Fontana
Posts: 116
iTrader: (0)
Rep Power: 5 ca249 is on a distinguished road (10)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ABearden
Although everyone says they don't agree with the violence, and I'll be called "young & ignorant," I completely agree with you. Once he said that he'd run you off the road, I see that as criminal intent and premeditation for attempted murder. If they only way he'll learn is by personally paying for the damages (due to his stupidity and arogance) then so be it. Honestly, pointing a gun (not firing, soley as an intimidation factor) at his face probably would have scared him straight a little better and equalized the threat difference, but this ain't Texas. They wouldn't pull that **** with a semi because they know they have no chance, why should they with a bike just because they have the mass advantage?

Sometimes, simple human minds only understand two things for behavior correction: fear and pain. That comment he made pretty much puts him squarely in the "simple" domain.
You might want to re-think. Pulling a gun for intimidation is stupid. Never pull a gun unless you are going to use it. If personA intends to intimidate and pulls a gun on personB and he has one too, personA is going to get shot before he knows what happened. :yikes
ca249 is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 02-18-2005, 03:19 PM   #17
rc51phreak
Track Junkie
 

Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: 10-96 In I Da Ho
Posts: 1,175
iTrader: (0)
Rep Power: 6 rc51phreak is on a distinguished road (10)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ca249
Quote:
Originally Posted by ABearden
Although everyone says they don't agree with the violence, and I'll be called "young & ignorant," I completely agree with you. Once he said that he'd run you off the road, I see that as criminal intent and premeditation for attempted murder. If they only way he'll learn is by personally paying for the damages (due to his stupidity and arogance) then so be it. Honestly, pointing a gun (not firing, soley as an intimidation factor) at his face probably would have scared him straight a little better and equalized the threat difference, but this ain't Texas. They wouldn't pull that **** with a semi because they know they have no chance, why should they with a bike just because they have the mass advantage?

Sometimes, simple human minds only understand two things for behavior correction: fear and pain. That comment he made pretty much puts him squarely in the "simple" domain.
You might want to re-think. Pulling a gun for intimidation is stupid. Never pull a gun unless you are going to use it. If personA intends to intimidate and pulls a gun on personB and he has one too, personA is going to get shot before he knows what happened. :yikes
Goes a little deeper then that....you pull a weapon on me you better shoot first and talk **** later cuz you've got one chance then i'm going to disarm you and your in for the assphalt facile of a lifetime!!...Weapons aren't for intimdation there for one thing and one thing only and that's saving your life period....speaking as a person who packed one as part of my duty and now as my right as a private citizen it's a huge burden to lug that thing around 24/7 trust me....however i'll say packing it around has caused me to think twice before i speak on alot of ocasions cuz you always have to keep in mind you don't want to escalate the sitiuation into having to draw down on someone......just some food for thought......
__________________
rc51phreak is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 02-18-2005, 04:43 PM   #18
ABearden
Canyon Carver
 

Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 571
iTrader: (0)
Rep Power: 5 ABearden is on a distinguished road (10)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by rc51phreak
Quote:
Originally Posted by ca249
Quote:
Originally Posted by ABearden
Although everyone says they don't agree with the violence, and I'll be called "young & ignorant," I completely agree with you. Once he said that he'd run you off the road, I see that as criminal intent and premeditation for attempted murder. If they only way he'll learn is by personally paying for the damages (due to his stupidity and arogance) then so be it. Honestly, pointing a gun (not firing, soley as an intimidation factor) at his face probably would have scared him straight a little better and equalized the threat difference, but this ain't Texas. They wouldn't pull that **** with a semi because they know they have no chance, why should they with a bike just because they have the mass advantage?

Sometimes, simple human minds only understand two things for behavior correction: fear and pain. That comment he made pretty much puts him squarely in the "simple" domain.
You might want to re-think. Pulling a gun for intimidation is stupid. Never pull a gun unless you are going to use it. If personA intends to intimidate and pulls a gun on personB and he has one too, personA is going to get shot before he knows what happened. :yikes
Goes a little deeper then that....you pull a weapon on me you better shoot first and talk **** later cuz you've got one chance then i'm going to disarm you and your in for the assphalt facile of a lifetime!!...Weapons aren't for intimdation there for one thing and one thing only and that's saving your life period....speaking as a person who packed one as part of my duty and now as my right as a private citizen it's a huge burden to lug that thing around 24/7 trust me....however i'll say packing it around has caused me to think twice before i speak on alot of ocasions cuz you always have to keep in mind you don't want to escalate the sitiuation into having to draw down on someone......just some food for thought......
Breathe people. :thumbup

Personally, I see the threat that was made as a threat to use a 4-5 thousand pound blunt impact weapon; he already pulled his from the holster. To me a "try it" situation, while maybe not the best, is one way out. I dodge cars almost daily during my commute. **** happens. But, if some punk decides that he's going to threaten my life intentionally he better be ready for it because when it comes down to self preservation in extreme situations, I 100% agree with the theory of mass retaliation. If he had swerved and tried to hit you dead on, I'd say seriously injure him. Probably not a popular opinion though. :laughing

Glad you're okay Throttlepimp. Careful out there.
ABearden is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 02-18-2005, 05:05 PM   #19
jaim
Squid
 
jaim's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Land of Canyons
Posts: 185
iTrader: (0)
Rep Power: 5 jaim is on a distinguished road (10)
Default

You know if everybody could carry a fire arm at all times crap like that would eventually stop happening all together. All the folks who rage up would be taken out and so would all the idiot drivers. What would result would be the most courteous drivers ever. And there would be no need for uninsured motorists insurance. :biglaugh


:popcorn
__________________
Are you crazy? Is that your problem?
jaim is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 02-18-2005, 05:30 PM   #20
ABearden
Canyon Carver
 

Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 571
iTrader: (0)
Rep Power: 5 ABearden is on a distinguished road (10)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by jaim
You know if everybody could carry a fire arm at all times crap like that would eventually stop happening all together. All the folks who rage up would be taken out and so would all the idiot drivers. What would result would be the most courteous drivers ever. And there would be no need for uninsured motorists insurance. :biglaugh


:popcorn
:clapping Like Texas! :laughing
ABearden is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -7. The time now is 12:38 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
LinkBacks Enabled by vBSEO 3.0.0 RC8
SportbikesWest.com, Copyright ©2003-2007, Sportbikeswest.