What do you think of my design?

SPEKTRE · 01-05-2008, 08:22 PM

This is only a rough design of my idea for a 1200cc DOHC V-2 Superbike.
I placed the fender behind the mud flap to give the tail a cleaner look. And also since it "legaly" has to be behind the axle. What do you all think of its placement? It also has forks like the Ohlins FG667's. The tail light cluster is unlocked via one bolt and two push pins and then a race anti-draft cowl is the fitted in it's place for track days. The mirrors are bolted on under the front facia so when removed there won't be any unsightly mirror mounts thusly eliminating block off's. The head lamp assembly removes the same way as the tail light cluster and a front cover is fitted in it's place. The mud flap comes off like any other one does.

Engine: 1198cc V-2 CNC billet aluminum block TiNi pistons and carbon connecting rods.
Trans: 6 speed GP shift, multi-plate dry clutch TiNi gears
Frame: Titanium Trelis
Subframe: Titanium Trelis
Swingarm: CNC titainium (maybe a trelis)
Body: F1 grade carbon fiber/kevlar
Forks: 51mm inverted w/ remote damping
Rear shock: Single w/ remote damping
Wheels: CNC forged magnesium split "I" spoke
Tires: Michelen Pilot Power 2CT's
Brakes: 6 piston radial FR and single piston rear: 320mm/220mm
Electronics: Dynojet w/ auto-mapping
Carberation: Computer Controlled Fuel Injection w/ dual variable injectors
Exhaust: Single unit carbon fiber and Ti construction w/ removable baffle
Cooling: Water HPsi and large radiator

What do you all think? I am building a 3-D CAD model of this bike as your reading this. I will post it shortly.

R4Ltony · 01-05-2008, 09:28 PM

I'll wait to answer the poll till I see more of it. Is this something you're just toying with as a drawing concept, or should I break out my check book and invest?

SPEKTRE · 01-05-2008, 09:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by R4Ltony

I'll wait to answer the poll till I see more of it. Is this something you're just toying with as a drawing concept, or should I break out my check book and invest?

I would like to make this a reality. Rotax (who builds Aprlias engines) already has a 990cc DOHC V-2. I'm sure I could purchase one and bore it out to 1198cc. There is a tutorial on how to work with fiber and how to make your own CNC machine. So, who knows you may use that check one day =o) hopefully. But please do click on the pics and vote anyway!

Bad-mofo · 01-06-2008, 12:49 PM

Apparently this poll is not anonymous. It's fine, because I can explain what influenced my decision. I know I should google harder, and while I can't name the make/model yet, but this concept was shown at the Paris 2006 motor show as I remember. It has a Ducati v-twin, Ohlins, underbelly exhaust, and so on. And it was black. I made it an avatar on another forum if some of you remember. The main feature of that bike was its ability to convert between naked and full-fairing modes. If it wasn't that, I swear I've seen this bike somewhere before. Photochopping is hardly a "new design".

So this is what primarily influenced my decision. And also ugly white that really should belongs to rental cars and delivery vans (my private opinion). I think what you really should do if you want to try your artistic/design and fiberglass (not CF) fabrication skills is to tweak your own R6 changing its plastics completely (there's a lot of room for improvement) along with getting rid of the ugly side canister in favor of a hidden underbelly exhaust (half of it is already there). Of all bikes the R6 has the best potential of turning it into a MotoGP replica or generally MotoGP-looking bike.

Everything else is pretty much reinventing the bicycle. Specs-wise the bike you're talking about exists: it's KTM RC8. It uses the design language of the current MotoGP machines: massive a little retro (though no doubt aerodynamic) front, diminutive tail, and completely hidden underbelly exhaust. Sorta like highly efficient cab-forward car design which is still popular around the world, but not here (let's wait for $4/gal). That's how production sportbikes of the future will look like though the industry has inertia you know.

You just want to make the engine bigger. Why? Have you ridden any of those heavy pigs: Hayabusa, ZX-14, and the BMW "sportbike" whatever they call it? They're fast starightline sport tourers, not sportbikes. They're rarely if ever raced (I mean beyond the 1/4 mile, LOL) and they suck at trackdays.

I don't know about the BMW-ish rear fender / license plate bracket. I was toying with that idea when I wanted a 2006 Gixxer. Still not sure how it'd look on a real bike. I'll probably try it on my next street bike whenever it happens. It's easy to fabricate using Home Depot materials.

As for the "removable headlight", look no further than Foggy Petronas FP-1 (technically a production bike). The easiest, most efficient, and don't you think the cleanest as well design is putting small projector headlight(s) behind the transparent windscreen. No need to remove those for trackdays. We never remove windscreens though they're technically made of something like "glass". I mean why to tape the taillight, blinkers, and all reflectors which are made of the same plastic as a significantly larger windscreen? Design-wise I doubt people would accept FP-1 type of headlights now just like they didn't like similar exposed 749 and 999 projectors. I take it the general public craves huge angular dual headlights as some sort of tribute to the Asian heritage (and origin) of Japanese-made sportbikes not to mention it makes the bike look like some big-eyed Anime creature. The sportbike manufacturers can't ignore the massive teenager and mind-of-a-teenager demographics who are into Akira-type cartoons.

SPEKTRE · 01-06-2008, 01:31 PM

Hey man all criticizim is welcome. I didn't Photchop a few bikes together,LOL. I actually drew it =o). I figured in order to be competitive it would have to have a 1200cc if it's gonna be a V-2. I like the idea of a V-4 but I on't think they are legal in the AMA or WSBK. The bike was black but I used white so people could see the lines. I love the KTM's under belly can. But I didn't wan't bite of them. I used the same duct as the 1098 though. It will most certainly change as soon as I sketch out the bike again in CorelDRAW 12.0. The idea of the light under wind screen intrigues me. It sure would make the transition from street to track a lot faster. Anyway thank your VERY much for being honest. This will help a lot. That design is my 6th one. LOL, you should see my original, LOL.

SPEKTRE · 01-09-2008, 10:16 PM

Here are a couple of pictures of the tail section. It is a [WIP].

JakeR1 · 01-10-2008, 09:26 AM

If there's one constant you can count on in this world, it's Alex's honesty!!!

But seriously, it's an interesting design. One thing I question, you're going to put an 1198cc Titanium-framed quasi-GP bike on 2ct's? In for a penny, in for a pound, I would think. Put it on some decent rubber. Also, same thing with the rear shock. It looks like you're trying to make a race-bike-in-a-box setup, so why not go with at least a 2-way rear? Other than that, it looks pretty cool. Keep us updated for sure!

SPEKTRE · 01-10-2008, 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JakeR1

If there's one constant you can count on in this world, it's Alex's honesty!!!

But seriously, it's an interesting design. One thing I question, you're going to put an 1198cc Titanium-framed quasi-GP bike on 2ct's? In for a penny, in for a pound, I would think. Put it on some decent rubber. Also, same thing with the rear shock. It looks like you're trying to make a race-bike-in-a-box setup, so why not go with at least a 2-way rear? Other than that, it looks pretty cool. Keep us updated for sure!

Yeah he was brutaly honest, LOL. But hey that is what I wanted. I like it when people are honest about things I make. I am actually going to ITT Tech for Game Design. What would you consider "decent rubber" AVON's, Dunlops ect...? Yeah I wanted a good balance of race/street. Kinda like a ROUSH mustang. You know that saying "In between a car and a racecar is a ROUSH car". Is there a shock that has more than 2 way adjustability? Would that be enough for what I intend the bike to be? The tank is real narrow where your legs grip the tank so the rider can tuck tighter. You think it's "too" skinny? Anyway Matt here are some more "CRUDE" updates (emphasis on crude, LOL) tell me what you all think so far.

PS: One of my pics won't show the thumbnail so you will have to click it.

SPEKTRE · 01-10-2008, 03:44 PM

Here is another of the top veiw.

JakeR1 · 01-10-2008, 03:51 PM

Well, a bike of that size is going to make a good bit of power, and for it to be ridden the way it looks like you're designing it, 2ct's might not be up to the task. I personally run Michelin PR's, but really any race rubber will do. Dunlop 209gp's, Pirelli supercorsa's, Bridgestone BT002's I think, even Metzler Racetech's. So far as I know, you can get a 3-way adjustable shock, but from what I hear, that almost gives too much adjustability, making the bike difficult to set up. I think a 2-way is a good option for stock, with ride height adjustment. As far as width, there has to be a balance between how thin you can make it and being able to fit all the necessary gear under the seat, have enough room for the gas tank, etc. Keep in mind that the lower you can keep the weight, especially the fuel, the better, because the center of gravity will change less as the fuel goes from full to empty. Alright, I'm done giving advice that I'm not qualified to give now

View Poll Results: What do you think?
Excellent design so far	4	36.36%
Great	5	45.45%
Neautral	1	9.09%
Needs more design work	0	0%
Ride it off a cliff	1	9.09%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 11. You may not vote on this poll

01-06-2008, 12:49 PM	#4
Bad-mofo Canyon Carver Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Aliso Viejo, CA Bikes: 03 R6, 04 R1, 06 450SMR Age: 37 Posts: 556 iTrader: (0) Rep Power: 4 (16)	Apparently this poll is not anonymous. It's fine, because I can explain what influenced my decision. I know I should google harder, and while I can't name the make/model yet, but this concept was shown at the Paris 2006 motor show as I remember. It has a Ducati v-twin, Ohlins, underbelly exhaust, and so on. And it was black. I made it an avatar on another forum if some of you remember. The main feature of that bike was its ability to convert between naked and full-fairing modes. If it wasn't that, I swear I've seen this bike somewhere before. Photochopping is hardly a "new design". So this is what primarily influenced my decision. And also ugly white that really should belongs to rental cars and delivery vans (my private opinion). I think what you really should do if you want to try your artistic/design and fiberglass (not CF) fabrication skills is to tweak your own R6 changing its plastics completely (there's a lot of room for improvement) along with getting rid of the ugly side canister in favor of a hidden underbelly exhaust (half of it is already there). Of all bikes the R6 has the best potential of turning it into a MotoGP replica or generally MotoGP-looking bike. Everything else is pretty much reinventing the bicycle. Specs-wise the bike you're talking about exists: it's KTM RC8. It uses the design language of the current MotoGP machines: massive a little retro (though no doubt aerodynamic) front, diminutive tail, and completely hidden underbelly exhaust. Sorta like highly efficient cab-forward car design which is still popular around the world, but not here (let's wait for $4/gal). That's how production sportbikes of the future will look like though the industry has inertia you know. You just want to make the engine bigger. Why? Have you ridden any of those heavy pigs: Hayabusa, ZX-14, and the BMW "sportbike" whatever they call it? They're fast starightline sport tourers, not sportbikes. They're rarely if ever raced (I mean beyond the 1/4 mile, LOL) and they suck at trackdays. I don't know about the BMW-ish rear fender / license plate bracket. I was toying with that idea when I wanted a 2006 Gixxer. Still not sure how it'd look on a real bike. I'll probably try it on my next street bike whenever it happens. It's easy to fabricate using Home Depot materials. As for the "removable headlight", look no further than Foggy Petronas FP-1 (technically a production bike). The easiest, most efficient, and don't you think the cleanest as well design is putting small projector headlight(s) behind the transparent windscreen. No need to remove those for trackdays. We never remove windscreens though they're technically made of something like "glass". I mean why to tape the taillight, blinkers, and all reflectors which are made of the same plastic as a significantly larger windscreen? Design-wise I doubt people would accept FP-1 type of headlights now just like they didn't like similar exposed 749 and 999 projectors. I take it the general public craves huge angular dual headlights as some sort of tribute to the Asian heritage (and origin) of Japanese-made sportbikes not to mention it makes the bike look like some big-eyed Anime creature. The sportbike manufacturers can't ignore the massive teenager and mind-of-a-teenager demographics who are into Akira-type cartoons. Last edited by Bad-mofo : 01-06-2008 at 12:52 PM.

01-06-2008, 01:31 PM	#5
SPEKTRE Squid Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: San Diego, San Ysidro Bikes: 2007 YZF-R6 Charcoal (The PHOENIX) Age: 32 Posts: 249 iTrader: (0) Rep Power: 2 (10)	Hey man all criticizim is welcome. I didn't Photchop a few bikes together,LOL. I actually drew it =o). I figured in order to be competitive it would have to have a 1200cc if it's gonna be a V-2. I like the idea of a V-4 but I on't think they are legal in the AMA or WSBK. The bike was black but I used white so people could see the lines. I love the KTM's under belly can. But I didn't wan't bite of them. I used the same duct as the 1098 though. It will most certainly change as soon as I sketch out the bike again in CorelDRAW 12.0. The idea of the light under wind screen intrigues me. It sure would make the transition from street to track a lot faster. Anyway thank your VERY much for being honest. This will help a lot. That design is my 6th one. LOL, you should see my original, LOL. __________________ 2007 Yamaha R6 "THE PHOENIX" Competitionwerkes F/E ltd, Puig DBB windscreen, Hotbodies F/M's, Yoshimura TRC slip on. Web: http://screamingrockets.motionsforum.com/index.htm My Space: http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...did=419 18279

01-10-2008, 09:26 AM	#7
JakeR1 Club Racer Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: SD Bikes: '99 R1 "The Disintegrator" '07 R1, '04 R6 "Slow" Age: 25 Posts: 2,517 iTrader: (1) Rep Power: 5 (62)	If there's one constant you can count on in this world, it's Alex's honesty!!! But seriously, it's an interesting design. One thing I question, you're going to put an 1198cc Titanium-framed quasi-GP bike on 2ct's? In for a penny, in for a pound, I would think. Put it on some decent rubber. Also, same thing with the rear shock. It looks like you're trying to make a race-bike-in-a-box setup, so why not go with at least a 2-way rear? Other than that, it looks pretty cool. Keep us updated for sure! __________________ Just call me Matt... www.msf-usa.org

01-10-2008, 03:51 PM	#10
JakeR1 Club Racer Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: SD Bikes: '99 R1 "The Disintegrator" '07 R1, '04 R6 "Slow" Age: 25 Posts: 2,517 iTrader: (1) Rep Power: 5 (62)	Well, a bike of that size is going to make a good bit of power, and for it to be ridden the way it looks like you're designing it, 2ct's might not be up to the task. I personally run Michelin PR's, but really any race rubber will do. Dunlop 209gp's, Pirelli supercorsa's, Bridgestone BT002's I think, even Metzler Racetech's. So far as I know, you can get a 3-way adjustable shock, but from what I hear, that almost gives too much adjustability, making the bike difficult to set up. I think a 2-way is a good option for stock, with ride height adjustment. As far as width, there has to be a balance between how thin you can make it and being able to fit all the necessary gear under the seat, have enough room for the gas tank, etc. Keep in mind that the lower you can keep the weight, especially the fuel, the better, because the center of gravity will change less as the fuel goes from full to empty. Alright, I'm done giving advice that I'm not qualified to give now __________________ Just call me Matt... www.msf-usa.org

01-05-2008, 09:28 PM	#2
R4Ltony Know It All Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Escondido Bikes: '02 GSXR750, '69 CL175 Age: 36 Posts: 319 iTrader: (0) Rep Power: 2 (15)	I'll wait to answer the poll till I see more of it. Is this something you're just toying with as a drawing concept, or should I break out my check book and invest?

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