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SPEED · 04-10-2008, 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bad-mofo

I agree that the guy is a relatively new rider, but canyons shouldn't be the place to judge someone's riding skills. He could be chilling, cruising, taking it easy, or just tired and dehydrated (his own explanation). I give him props for NOT using full 600's potential on the street. So those displacement wars (passing a bigger bike on your older smaller bike) mean nothing on the street. On the track, hell yeah, I'd (and do) laugh at all the posers on literbikes.

Dragging knee in the canyons or on on-ramps is OK once in a while, but most of the time it's perfectly fine to chill especially if you're not feeling it. Now let's leave alone his wrecked R6. It's just a regular mass-produced sportbike. One case I do support is if you have a highly customized or special edition bike with mods, stickers etc. like a Repsol 1000RR or special paint scheme Ducatis, or just top of the line Ducatis in general, MV Agusta, or anything of that caliber, then yes, you better not have chicken strips cause whether you realize it or not you're making a statement with such bike.

You are missing the point here Alex. Just because you believe people should be able to purchase a litre bike as their first bike because you did doesn't mean everyone should actually do it for your reasons. It takes time to adjust to how quick these monsters get up to high speeds. Cornering skills don't come right away, granted they do come a little faster for some than others. It's much better to take mucho extra power out of the equation when learning so people can concentrate on other skills without getting into too much trouble.

Since we are talking about the street for Spektre here, then Stinkbug's statement is spot on. Even for the track I'd say for him to start on something smaller than he just crashed.

And, as an added note, I'd say it would be a good idea for him to get a pocketbike and work on his cornering skills with that for awhile. You do know that Valentino Rossi started out on a pocketbike right?

Bad-mofo · 04-10-2008, 01:42 PM

Actually my first bike was the allegedly "mellow" and "beginner-friendly" YZF600R and I really regret I didn't go for what I really wanted at that time: the 600RR. Then a year after 600RR the new gorgeous R1 appeared (2004), but I was soooo afraid of it thinking it'd loop me the moment I open the throttle. After reading all "prudent advice" about literbikes.

I don't wanna start a (yet another) great debate of beginner bikes which usually circles around literbike bashing. In a nutshell and after meeting the variety of riders over my 5-year riding career I stand by my own original thought: if the person didn't suffer (let alone causing) car crashes (I don't use the word "accident") he(she) has the capacity for riding any bike. I mean safe good-handling motorcycles, not cruisers or choppers. Yes, heavier and more powerful bikes require steeper learning curve, but the main thing is someone's mental capacity to learn and operate the machine, as it's all mental, not physical.

Sadly, the majority of the [American] population is plain unfit for operating a two-wheel vehicle and no amount of learning would make it safe for them. Neither contrary to popular belief will do any gradual introduction to the sport. "Start on a Ninja 250, then progress on a 600...". BS. If the person is unfit and "accidents happen" to him(her), then he is unfit, period. Plain and simple. And as you can imagine those average unfit people do make statistics. Does it mean the statistics apply to you? I don't know. Do you consider yourself average?

Now how can you distinguish between fit and unfit people? Very simple. Yeah, I know, you think I'm full of myself as it's typically not polite (by American PC standards) to judge others' IQ. So eat me, I wasn't born here and didn't have to go through all of that brainwash... how much of an insult it is to call stupid people such or imply that you're smarter than somebody else. So if you can get over that social norm you've grown accustomed to, it's very simple like I said. Smart people are fit and the stupid are unfit. Because the effort of driving a car, riding a bike, or flying a plane is 99% mental. I don't know SPECTRE personally, but judging from his posts here he's no doubt a smart person - 100% fit and qualified to ride anything on the street including, but not limited to literbikes.

Strictly for the sake of discussion (to support my theory) the vast majority of [active] SBW members are smart and that translates directly into responsible riding on the street and track. I can also compare it to other groups and particularly one online community I really regret being a member of for a year or so. I won't name that message board though some of you know which one I'm talking about. Those people seemed unfit online and my suspicion was 100% confirmed at all their trackdays I attended. It was a non-stop crashfest. This is my private opinion: how I judge someone's ability to control the motorcycle and more importantly learn as it's a lifetime journey. By IQ, not by riding behind him for 15 minutes.

And again, I'm talking about the street only. As far as track usage I 100% agree with everyone posted here, but the street... anything will do, cause the street is (officially) for commuting, but also for chilling, cruising and enjoying the scenery at 60-70% of your ability to ride. If you can't comprehend what that number (70%) means and insist on riding the street like a track then you'll get hurt on any bike, even EX250. It's just another extreme caused by the same thing: stupidity. BTW what a terrible advice to learn a smaller bike to its "full potential" on the street. The full potential should never be reached on the street: neither bike's, nor rider's.

Draconius · 04-11-2008, 08:21 AM

Stick with 600 or 675. I rode mine moderately hard (my opinion) for the street and knew that I wasn't even TOUCHING the potential yet. If something happens to my 600, I am sticking with the 600. I actually like the power select on the new 08 gsxr-600's. Almost wish I waited out on it.

The 750's have a little more pick-up and that it the reason people pick them up. But personally I say stick with 600.

SPEED · 04-11-2008, 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bad-mofo

Actually my first bike was the allegedly "mellow" and "beginner-friendly" YZF600R and I really regret I didn't go for what I really wanted at that time: the 600RR. Then a year after 600RR the new gorgeous R1 appeared (2004), but I was soooo afraid of it thinking it'd loop me the moment I open the throttle. After reading all "prudent advice" about literbikes.

I don't wanna start a (yet another) great debate of beginner bikes which usually circles around literbike bashing. In a nutshell and after meeting the variety of riders over my 5-year riding career I stand by my own original thought: if the person didn't suffer (let alone causing) car crashes (I don't use the word "accident") he(she) has the capacity for riding any bike. I mean safe good-handling motorcycles, not cruisers or choppers. Yes, heavier and more powerful bikes require steeper learning curve, but the main thing is someone's mental capacity to learn and operate the machine, as it's all mental, not physical.

Sadly, the majority of the [American] population is plain unfit for operating a two-wheel vehicle and no amount of learning would make it safe for them. Neither contrary to popular belief will do any gradual introduction to the sport. "Start on a Ninja 250, then progress on a 600...". BS. If the person is unfit and "accidents happen" to him(her), then he is unfit, period. Plain and simple. And as you can imagine those average unfit people do make statistics. Does it mean the statistics apply to you? I don't know. Do you consider yourself average?

Now how can you distinguish between fit and unfit people? Very simple. Yeah, I know, you think I'm full of myself as it's typically not polite (by American PC standards) to judge others' IQ. So eat me, I wasn't born here and didn't have to go through all of that brainwash... how much of an insult it is to call stupid people such or imply that you're smarter than somebody else. So if you can get over that social norm you've grown accustomed to, it's very simple like I said. Smart people are fit and the stupid are unfit. Because the effort of driving a car, riding a bike, or flying a plane is 99% mental. I don't know SPECTRE personally, but judging from his posts here he's no doubt a smart person - 100% fit and qualified to ride anything on the street including, but not limited to literbikes.

Strictly for the sake of discussion (to support my theory) the vast majority of [active] SBW members are smart and that translates directly into responsible riding on the street and track. I can also compare it to other groups and particularly one online community I really regret being a member of for a year or so. I won't name that message board though some of you know which one I'm talking about. Those people seemed unfit online and my suspicion was 100% confirmed at all their trackdays I attended. It was a non-stop crashfest. This is my private opinion: how I judge someone's ability to control the motorcycle and more importantly learn as it's a lifetime journey. By IQ, not by riding behind him for 15 minutes.

And again, I'm talking about the street only. As far as track usage I 100% agree with everyone posted here, but the street... anything will do, cause the street is (officially) for commuting, but also for chilling, cruising and enjoying the scenery at 60-70% of your ability to ride. If you can't comprehend what that number (70%) means and insist on riding the street like a track then you'll get hurt on any bike, even EX250. It's just another extreme caused by the same thing: stupidity. BTW what a terrible advice to learn a smaller bike to its "full potential" on the street. The full potential should never be reached on the street: neither bike's, nor rider's.

A person doesn't need to be going after "Full potential" on an R-1 to get into serious trouble quickly. Coming out of a corner on a 250 and grabbing a fist full of throttle isn't going to have the same effect as a litre bike. Telling people to get a litre bike as a first bike is wrong no matter how you put it Alex. Perhaps if Spektre had the mighty power of the R-1 instead of the R-6 he may not have had the oportunity to post up here with his crash report.

Just because a person is considered to be smart doesn't mean that they won't get caught up in the moment while riding a litre bike.

If people want to just putt around on the street there are better (more comfortable) bikes available with plenty room for cargo for their goodies.

SPEKTRE · 04-17-2008, 04:34 PM

This is wierd it dual posted on me?

SPEKTRE · 04-17-2008, 04:46 PM

Okay guys I get the point, LOLZ. Yeah I know Stink Bug passed me but I really was just cruising because I don't know the road and all of the cars were pissing me off =o). However man you ride so good. I was trying to immatate your cornering but I just couldn't do it. I like watching all you guys and pick up little tid bits here and there. I even play races in slow motion just to study the pros. As for my wreck..really guys I wish I had video or something. I think I just panicked a zoned out. Anyway that is beside the point because I am so happy to say my bike is going to rise from the ashes!
It should be done by next week. The guy Mike at SBMS said it wasn't even close to being totaled. I hope to be as good as Stink Bug someday. I know it take a lot of track days and maybe a couple of more years. That other guy on the F4i was rocking it pretty good up there too. Okays guys thank you so much for being HONEST. It was brutale but respectable. You know thinking about it now I think it may not be a good idea to get a 1000. Any way I am sooo happy my bike is going to live.

You can tell in my signature I named her the "PHOENIX". I think I will have a custom vynil sticker made at the Westfield mall 8" x 6" and place it on my wind screen.

formatr6 · 04-17-2008, 08:25 PM

Dude get what ever bike appeals to you. Who cares what other people think you should get. They are all really close these days.

I vote for the zx10R because it has gobs of power and it is very nimble and small. I was at Pahrump this weekend and some guys was railing that thing! I couldnt belive how much power he was getting to the ground. I couldnt even get close on the brakes. WOW!

And about you not being ready for a liter bike. Well you can get yourself into a lot of trouble on a 600 to. Just ride at your own pace. If you think your ready for a liter bike go for it! Just be careful man those things go 100 in first gear!

SPEKTRE · 04-17-2008, 08:38 PM

I see what your saying but all these guys on here have a lot of experience and can tell me without a shadow of a doubt what would be a good idea. Some of them have even see me ride. I just hope they didn't witness my first ride to the canyons, LOL. I feel I am a lot better up there now but no where as good as Stink Bug or that other Guy on the black F4i.

phydeaux · 04-17-2008, 09:04 PM

Isaac,
I'm glad to hear your bike will be fixed - now you don't have to worry about choosing another! (I see you corrected your spelling of Phoenix also

)

I think the person on the black bike (ZX-636) was Patrick. You could learn a lot from both him and Dallas as well as many others on this board. My generic advice is to improve incrementally. Don't expect to improve by leaps and bounds unless you are willing to crash to find your limit by exceeding it. Hope to see you out there again soon.

When do you have to leave town?

SPEKTRE · 04-17-2008, 09:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by phydeaux

Isaac,
I'm glad to hear your bike will be fixed - now you don't have to worry about choosing another! (I see you corrected your spelling of Phoenix also

)

I think the person on the black bike (ZX-636) was Patrick. You could learn a lot from both him and Dallas as well as many others on this board. My generic advice is to improve incrementally. Don't expect to improve by leaps and bounds unless you are willing to crash to find your limit by exceeding it. Hope to see you out there again soon.

When do you have to leave town?

Oh I leave on the 26th until June 27th then I leave again July 11th. I'll be back from FL Sep 1st and then I have to leave on the 20th. I will be out again. I had to put an aftermarket exhaust system on because believe it or not the OEM was 600 bucks! I got the Yoshimura TRC slip on that way I wont need a power commander just yet. LOL, I'm kinda going backwards in my modding. I wanted braided brake lines first + CRG's then a stabilizer there after the exhaust. Basically the whole job is 3100 dollars. Mainly due to the plastics. I need to get some "beefier" frame sliders though. I'll pay you back the dollar you lost to your room mate LOL!

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04-10-2008, 01:42 PM	#22
Bad-mofo Canyon Carver Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Aliso Viejo, CA Bikes: 03 R6, 04 R1, 06 450SMR Age: 36 Posts: 546 iTrader: (0) Rep Power: 4 (16)	Actually my first bike was the allegedly "mellow" and "beginner-friendly" YZF600R and I really regret I didn't go for what I really wanted at that time: the 600RR. Then a year after 600RR the new gorgeous R1 appeared (2004), but I was soooo afraid of it thinking it'd loop me the moment I open the throttle. After reading all "prudent advice" about literbikes. I don't wanna start a (yet another) great debate of beginner bikes which usually circles around literbike bashing. In a nutshell and after meeting the variety of riders over my 5-year riding career I stand by my own original thought: if the person didn't suffer (let alone causing) car crashes (I don't use the word "accident") he(she) has the capacity for riding any bike. I mean safe good-handling motorcycles, not cruisers or choppers. Yes, heavier and more powerful bikes require steeper learning curve, but the main thing is someone's mental capacity to learn and operate the machine, as it's all mental, not physical. Sadly, the majority of the [American] population is plain unfit for operating a two-wheel vehicle and no amount of learning would make it safe for them. Neither contrary to popular belief will do any gradual introduction to the sport. "Start on a Ninja 250, then progress on a 600...". BS. If the person is unfit and "accidents happen" to him(her), then he is unfit, period. Plain and simple. And as you can imagine those average unfit people do make statistics. Does it mean the statistics apply to you? I don't know. Do you consider yourself average? Now how can you distinguish between fit and unfit people? Very simple. Yeah, I know, you think I'm full of myself as it's typically not polite (by American PC standards) to judge others' IQ. So eat me, I wasn't born here and didn't have to go through all of that brainwash... how much of an insult it is to call stupid people such or imply that you're smarter than somebody else. So if you can get over that social norm you've grown accustomed to, it's very simple like I said. Smart people are fit and the stupid are unfit. Because the effort of driving a car, riding a bike, or flying a plane is 99% mental. I don't know SPECTRE personally, but judging from his posts here he's no doubt a smart person - 100% fit and qualified to ride anything on the street including, but not limited to literbikes. Strictly for the sake of discussion (to support my theory) the vast majority of [active] SBW members are smart and that translates directly into responsible riding on the street and track. I can also compare it to other groups and particularly one online community I really regret being a member of for a year or so. I won't name that message board though some of you know which one I'm talking about. Those people seemed unfit online and my suspicion was 100% confirmed at all their trackdays I attended. It was a non-stop crashfest. This is my private opinion: how I judge someone's ability to control the motorcycle and more importantly learn as it's a lifetime journey. By IQ, not by riding behind him for 15 minutes. And again, I'm talking about the street only. As far as track usage I 100% agree with everyone posted here, but the street... anything will do, cause the street is (officially) for commuting, but also for chilling, cruising and enjoying the scenery at 60-70% of your ability to ride. If you can't comprehend what that number (70%) means and insist on riding the street like a track then you'll get hurt on any bike, even EX250. It's just another extreme caused by the same thing: stupidity. BTW what a terrible advice to learn a smaller bike to its "full potential" on the street. The full potential should never be reached on the street: neither bike's, nor rider's. Last edited by Bad-mofo : 04-10-2008 at 01:46 PM.

04-11-2008, 08:21 AM	#23
Draconius Squid Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: SDSU Bikes: '08 GSXR600 Posts: 196 iTrader: (0) Rep Power: 2 (23)	Stick with 600 or 675. I rode mine moderately hard (my opinion) for the street and knew that I wasn't even TOUCHING the potential yet. If something happens to my 600, I am sticking with the 600. I actually like the power select on the new 08 gsxr-600's. Almost wish I waited out on it. The 750's have a little more pick-up and that it the reason people pick them up. But personally I say stick with 600. __________________ '07 GSXR600 - Black/Black

04-17-2008, 04:34 PM	#25
SPEKTRE Squid Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: San Diego, San Ysidro Bikes: 2007 YZF-R6 Charcoal (The PHOENIX) Age: 32 Posts: 249 iTrader: (0) Rep Power: 1 (10)	This is wierd it dual posted on me? __________________ 2007 Yamaha R6 "THE PHOENIX" Competitionwerkes F/E ltd, Puig DBB windscreen, Hotbodies F/M's, Yoshimura TRC slip on. Web: http://screamingrockets.motionsforum.com/index.htm My Space: http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...did=419 18279 Last edited by SPEKTRE : 04-17-2008 at 04:46 PM.

04-17-2008, 04:46 PM	#26
SPEKTRE Squid Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: San Diego, San Ysidro Bikes: 2007 YZF-R6 Charcoal (The PHOENIX) Age: 32 Posts: 249 iTrader: (0) Rep Power: 1 (10)	Okay guys I get the point, LOLZ. Yeah I know Stink Bug passed me but I really was just cruising because I don't know the road and all of the cars were pissing me off =o). However man you ride so good. I was trying to immatate your cornering but I just couldn't do it. I like watching all you guys and pick up little tid bits here and there. I even play races in slow motion just to study the pros. As for my wreck..really guys I wish I had video or something. I think I just panicked a zoned out. Anyway that is beside the point because I am so happy to say my bike is going to rise from the ashes! It should be done by next week. The guy Mike at SBMS said it wasn't even close to being totaled. I hope to be as good as Stink Bug someday. I know it take a lot of track days and maybe a couple of more years. That other guy on the F4i was rocking it pretty good up there too. Okays guys thank you so much for being HONEST. It was brutale but respectable. You know thinking about it now I think it may not be a good idea to get a 1000. Any way I am sooo happy my bike is going to live. You can tell in my signature I named her the "PHOENIX". I think I will have a custom vynil sticker made at the Westfield mall 8" x 6" and place it on my wind screen. __________________ 2007 Yamaha R6 "THE PHOENIX" Competitionwerkes F/E ltd, Puig DBB windscreen, Hotbodies F/M's, Yoshimura TRC slip on. Web: http://screamingrockets.motionsforum.com/index.htm My Space: http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...did=419 18279 Last edited by SPEKTRE : 04-17-2008 at 05:37 PM.

04-17-2008, 08:25 PM	#27
formatr6 Know It All Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Riverslime Posts: 452 iTrader: (0) Rep Power: 4 (23)	Dude get what ever bike appeals to you. Who cares what other people think you should get. They are all really close these days. I vote for the zx10R because it has gobs of power and it is very nimble and small. I was at Pahrump this weekend and some guys was railing that thing! I couldnt belive how much power he was getting to the ground. I couldnt even get close on the brakes. WOW! And about you not being ready for a liter bike. Well you can get yourself into a lot of trouble on a 600 to. Just ride at your own pace. If you think your ready for a liter bike go for it! Just be careful man those things go 100 in first gear!

04-17-2008, 08:38 PM	#28
SPEKTRE Squid Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: San Diego, San Ysidro Bikes: 2007 YZF-R6 Charcoal (The PHOENIX) Age: 32 Posts: 249 iTrader: (0) Rep Power: 1 (10)	I see what your saying but all these guys on here have a lot of experience and can tell me without a shadow of a doubt what would be a good idea. Some of them have even see me ride. I just hope they didn't witness my first ride to the canyons, LOL. I feel I am a lot better up there now but no where as good as Stink Bug or that other Guy on the black F4i. __________________ 2007 Yamaha R6 "THE PHOENIX" Competitionwerkes F/E ltd, Puig DBB windscreen, Hotbodies F/M's, Yoshimura TRC slip on. Web: http://screamingrockets.motionsforum.com/index.htm My Space: http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...did=419 18279 Last edited by SPEKTRE : 04-17-2008 at 08:41 PM.

04-17-2008, 09:04 PM	#29
phydeaux Moderator Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: San Diego Bikes: 05 FZ1/01 RC51 Age: 51 Posts: 985 iTrader: (0) Rep Power: 2 (28)	Isaac, I'm glad to hear your bike will be fixed - now you don't have to worry about choosing another! (I see you corrected your spelling of Phoenix also ) I think the person on the black bike (ZX-636) was Patrick. You could learn a lot from both him and Dallas as well as many others on this board. My generic advice is to improve incrementally. Don't expect to improve by leaps and bounds unless you are willing to crash to find your limit by exceeding it. Hope to see you out there again soon. When do you have to leave town? __________________ Boycott shampoo, you shouldn't settle for anything less than 100% REAL poo!

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