Some Mcain and Obama info my Dad sent to me...

seesm · 09-03-2008, 07:21 PM

2008 PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE COMPARISON TALKING POINTS

ISSUE JOHN McCAIN BARAK OBAMA

Favors new drilling
offshore US
Mcain Yes Obama No

Will appoint judges
who interpret the law not make it
Mcain Yes Obama No

Served in the
US Armed Forces
Mcain Yes Obama No

Amount of time
served in the US Senate
Mcain 22 YEARS Obama 173 DAYS

Will institute a
socialized national health care plan
Mcain No Obama Yes

Supports abortion
throughout the pregnancy
Mcain No Obama Yes

Would pull troops
out of Iraq immediately
mcain No Obama Yes

Supports gun
ownership rights
Mcain Yes Obama No

Supports
homosexual marriage
Mcain No Obama Yes

Proposed programs will
mean a huge tax increase
Mcain No Obama Yes

Voted against making
English the official language
Mcain No Obama Yes

Voted to give
Social Security
benefits to illegals
Mcain No Obama Yes

CAPITAL GAINS TAX
MCCAIN is now 0% on home sales up to $500,000 per home (couples). McCain does not propose any change in existing home sales income tax.

OBAMA
Wants 28% on profit from ALL home sales. (How does this affect you? If you sell your home and make a profit, you will pay 28% of your gain on taxes. If you are heading toward retirement and would like to down-size your home or move into a retirement community, 28% of the money you make from your home will go to taxes. This proposal will adversely affect the elderly who are counting on the income from their homes as part of their retirement income.)

DIVIDEND TAX
MCCAIN is now 15% (wants no change)

OBAMA wants 39.6% - (How will this affect you? If you have any money invested in stock market, IRA, mutual funds, college funds, life insurance, retirement accounts, or anything that pays or reinvests dividends, you will now be paying nearly 40% of the money earned on taxes if Obama becomes president. The experts predict that 'Higher tax rates on dividends and capital gains would crash the stock market, yet do absolutely nothing to cut the deficit.')

INCOME TAX
MCCAIN (Wants no changes)
Single making 30K - tax $4,500
Single making 50K - tax $12,500
Single making 75K - tax $18,750
Married making 60K- tax $9,000
Married making 75K - tax $18,750
Married making 125K - tax $31,250

OBAMA (wants reversion to pre-Bush tax cuts)
Single making 30K - tax $8,400
Single making 50K - tax $14,000
Single making 75K - tax $23,250
Married making 60K - tax $16,800
Married making 75K - tax $21,000
Married making 125K - tax $38,750
Under Obama, your taxes could almost double!

INHERITANCE TAX
MCCAIN - 0% (No change, Bush repealed this tax)

OBAMA wants to restore the inheritance tax

Mind you many families have lost businesses, farms, ranches, and homes that have been in their families for generations because they could not afford the inheritance tax. Those willing their assets to loved ones will only lose them to these taxes.

NEW TAXES PROPOSED BY OBAMA
New government taxes proposed on homes that are more than 2400 square feet. New gasoline taxes (as if gas weren't high enough already) New taxes on natural resources consumption (heating gas, water, electricity) New taxes on retirement accounts, and last but not least....New taxes to pay for socialized medicine so we can receive the same level of medical care as other third-world countries!!!

Just so you know the above informantion is true you can verify the above at the following web sites:

Election 2008: The candidates and your money - CNNMoney

Taxes: Election Center 2008 - CNN.com

RAW DATA: Fred Thompson’s Remarks at GOP Convention - America’s Election HQ

McCain, Obama Offer Different Visions on Taxes

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phydeaux · 09-03-2008, 07:56 PM

Yet I am still afraid Obama might get elected. Can you imagine him and Pelosi together?? *shudder*

seesm · 09-03-2008, 11:11 PM

Well now we can push for Mcain.... Go Mcain GO!!

Cyanide41 · 09-04-2008, 02:26 PM

Comparisions like this make me very defensive. No 1 canidate has all the right answers. I have not decided who I am voting for but, I don't like bias comaprisions

Also, some of these facts listed are twisted to make McCain look better. For example: Obama voted against the bill to ban late term abortions because it did not contain a clause to protect the life of the mother. Now if your wife, and mother of your kids was pregnant and would die if she did not abort the baby, what would you have her do? Undoubtably that is a very tough choice for your wife and family to make. I feel that should be your choice and if it were up to McCain, you would not have a choice. Personally I lean more towards "pro-life" but definately think there are circumstances where they should be allowed.

So if I wanted one sided mud slinging, I would just watch campaing commericals.

Bad-mofo · 09-04-2008, 03:15 PM

What he said ^^^. Biased to say the least. Just withholding small things can manipulate facts and completely distort the picture.

Abortion-schmabortion... I'm amazed how educated people in the 21st Century even consider it election-level issue compared to the financial sh_t the country is in... Middle-class used to be able to afford houses... not anymore, and even apart from real estate the wages can't keep up with prices. The "American dream" is about to shatter. Unemployment, college degrees mean nothing at least in my field, nice secure middle class white-collar jobs are going to third-world countries like India, and the bulk of manufacturing (blue collar jobs) is already in China, so what we're left with? Changing hospital diapers of wealthy retired baby boomers? Or we should all invest in job-stealing companies like Tata Consultancy Services and live off dividents. Or even simpler... the entire population starts collecting welfare. Who gives a f_ck about abortion or the president being a war hero (30- years ago). It's about his ability to get the country out of the mess it's in.

The taxes issue is a 100% political game. Democrats want Bush's tax cut to expire so then they can "cut" taxes themselves to take credit for that. Politicians. What else you expect from them? To really care about your $$$? I'm curious though where's Obama's cut-off of "95% of all working families". I have an impression I wouldn't be included (as always). Neither of those parties cares about middle class because we're the minority now. I equally dislike them both.

Cyanide41 · 09-05-2008, 07:31 AM

I do support McCain's stance on 2nd Amendment rights. Less "control" and stricter penalties for criminals. I also like his support of Veterans.

I was really turned off about the whole Britney Spears/Paris Hilton bit. Don't get me wrong, I strongly dislike both these women. How can McCain put them in his commerical and then say "I don't know Paris Hilton and Britney Spears but they are international celebrities, so, you know, apples to apples."? So he said, "Hey I don't know these celebrities, but all celebrities are the same" which I fgind a little scary. What other generalizations does he make about people?

SolidForce · 09-05-2008, 08:56 AM

So you guys like Bush too?

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-SF

Bad-mofo · 09-05-2008, 10:03 AM

Pro-gun movement let alone just "support" is largely irrelevant for our socialist state that makes its own rules. And really... any politician's "support", opinion, or stand on the issue means absolutely nothing unless he has plans to do anything about the issue.

Though nice to have, [assault] gun ownership is more of a recreational activity for 99% of the population. Overall lower taxes... yeah, sure, who wouldn't want them, but when my employment is on the line, when wages in my industry are back to early 90's levels, I'm more concerned with that then a 5% tax cut (it's always a couple percent in my bracket). Gotta make money to pay taxes.

I got a very bad feeling after McCain's speech last night. He and his "pro-business" party are not going to lift a finger to address the issue with white-collar jobs going overseas. He calls it "participation in the global economy" or something like that. No, wait a second... now I recall his plan. When it comes to worst and IT becomes 100% Indian (in 10-15 years per my conservative estimate), he'd send people like me to community colleges to learn something new. I wonder what it'd be and why a person with Masters degree needs to go to community college. Stupid me. To learn Hindi of course. Anyway that's his plan: community colleges.

And while my post is my own interpretation which is the matter of opinion, here's one FACT about McCain. Yesterday I tried to search the Net to find out who slave traders (like Tata Consultancy Services) favor. The answer is obvious though they're very cautious and avoid political statements. Gotta ask their employees at work granted there are 200+ of them here. Anyway, I did another search and...

Google "Indian outsourcing McCain" and see what comes up first:
Campaign Silo » McCain Money Man Randy Altschuler Renowned For Outsourcing U.S. Jobs

Forget about programmers who make "too much". Business visionaries took it to the new level. Now any white-collar office job (which means ALL of them) can be shipped to India. After all people there can learn Excel and Power Point even quicker than Americans, as they're obviously more motivated.

I don't idealize Obama, but at least he's acknowledged the problem; Which he most likely is not going to do anything about just like McCain because it'd mean going against big money (Microsoft, Cisco, IBM, and such) who run this country. Like I said, opinions or comforting acknowledgment of the issue don't matter, actions do. Both make pessimistic statements like "it cannot be reversed", but from what I see at work (200-300 of them here on legal H1B and illegal L1 visas) at this stage the reversal is as easy as cutting the H1B program and enforcing L1 and B1 visa regulations. In 10 years after everything moves to India and they don't need to keep any staff here, then sure it'll become irreversible.

Here's the best unbiased article I've found on the issue:
Vijay Prashad: Obama and Outsourcing

seesm · 09-06-2008, 03:23 PM

I agree if your wife is gonna die yeah abort the child but they is more in depth to what we are talking here.

Is this one sided yeah just like everything on Tv is one sided and if you decided to watch one comercial and agree with what it is saying you will find another saying the exact opposite.

I guess I just should have said McCain appears to have more to offer to the United States than Barrack Hussein Osama. I hate the idea that with BHO will will have to hide our guns.

SPEED · 11-04-2008, 09:32 PM

As if America wasn't already screwed up enough....... now we have Obama.

09-03-2008, 07:21 PM	#1
seesm Track Junkie Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Auburn, California Bikes: (2) 2007 R6's, lots of minibikes and a Bobcat ready to work... Posts: 1,020 iTrader: (3) Rep Power: 5 (30)	Some Mcain and Obama info my Dad sent to me... 2008 PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE COMPARISON TALKING POINTS ISSUE JOHN McCAIN BARAK OBAMA Favors new drilling offshore US Mcain Yes Obama No Will appoint judges who interpret the law not make it Mcain Yes Obama No Served in the US Armed Forces Mcain Yes Obama No Amount of time served in the US Senate Mcain 22 YEARS Obama 173 DAYS Will institute a socialized national health care plan Mcain No Obama Yes Supports abortion throughout the pregnancy Mcain No Obama Yes Would pull troops out of Iraq immediately mcain No Obama Yes Supports gun ownership rights Mcain Yes Obama No Supports homosexual marriage Mcain No Obama Yes Proposed programs will mean a huge tax increase Mcain No Obama Yes Voted against making English the official language Mcain No Obama Yes Voted to give Social Security benefits to illegals Mcain No Obama Yes CAPITAL GAINS TAX MCCAIN is now 0% on home sales up to $500,000 per home (couples). McCain does not propose any change in existing home sales income tax. OBAMA Wants 28% on profit from ALL home sales. (How does this affect you? If you sell your home and make a profit, you will pay 28% of your gain on taxes. If you are heading toward retirement and would like to down-size your home or move into a retirement community, 28% of the money you make from your home will go to taxes. This proposal will adversely affect the elderly who are counting on the income from their homes as part of their retirement income.) DIVIDEND TAX MCCAIN is now 15% (wants no change) OBAMA wants 39.6% - (How will this affect you? If you have any money invested in stock market, IRA, mutual funds, college funds, life insurance, retirement accounts, or anything that pays or reinvests dividends, you will now be paying nearly 40% of the money earned on taxes if Obama becomes president. The experts predict that 'Higher tax rates on dividends and capital gains would crash the stock market, yet do absolutely nothing to cut the deficit.') INCOME TAX MCCAIN (Wants no changes) Single making 30K - tax $4,500 Single making 50K - tax $12,500 Single making 75K - tax $18,750 Married making 60K- tax $9,000 Married making 75K - tax $18,750 Married making 125K - tax $31,250 OBAMA (wants reversion to pre-Bush tax cuts) Single making 30K - tax $8,400 Single making 50K - tax $14,000 Single making 75K - tax $23,250 Married making 60K - tax $16,800 Married making 75K - tax $21,000 Married making 125K - tax $38,750 Under Obama, your taxes could almost double! INHERITANCE TAX MCCAIN - 0% (No change, Bush repealed this tax) OBAMA wants to restore the inheritance tax Mind you many families have lost businesses, farms, ranches, and homes that have been in their families for generations because they could not afford the inheritance tax. Those willing their assets to loved ones will only lose them to these taxes. NEW TAXES PROPOSED BY OBAMA New government taxes proposed on homes that are more than 2400 square feet. New gasoline taxes (as if gas weren't high enough already) New taxes on natural resources consumption (heating gas, water, electricity) New taxes on retirement accounts, and last but not least....New taxes to pay for socialized medicine so we can receive the same level of medical care as other third-world countries!!! Just so you know the above informantion is true you can verify the above at the following web sites: Election 2008: The candidates and your money - CNNMoney Taxes: Election Center 2008 - CNN.com RAW DATA: Fred Thompson’s Remarks at GOP Convention - America’s Election HQ McCain, Obama Offer Different Visions on Taxes Fact Checker Archive by Category Fact Checker Archive by Category __________________ CalGuns.net / Gpal.net / Fast50s.com / Slide Motorsports / Advanced Metal Finishing & Powder Coating / greateryamaha.com / Bell / Leo Vince / Gpr Stabilizer /Oury Grip / www.sportbikeswest.com / Catalyst Reaction Susp / Elka Shocks / Race Tech / Inhouse Susp / two2cool / Works Connection / motionpro.com / Tech Spec / SupermotoUSA / axialvideo.com / bickleracing.com / Got Moto Parts Last edited by seesm : 09-03-2008 at 07:23 PM.

09-03-2008, 07:56 PM	#2
phydeaux Moderator Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: San Diego Bikes: 08 R1200GS/01 RC51 Age: 53 Posts: 1,283 iTrader: (0) Rep Power: 5 (28)	Yet I am still afraid Obama might get elected. Can you imagine him and Pelosi together?? shudder __________________ SportBikesWest Over-The-Hill Club Boycott shampoo, you shouldn't settle for anything less than 100% REAL poo !!!!

09-03-2008, 11:11 PM	#3
seesm Track Junkie Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Auburn, California Bikes: (2) 2007 R6's, lots of minibikes and a Bobcat ready to work... Posts: 1,020 iTrader: (3) Rep Power: 5 (30)	Well now we can push for Mcain.... Go Mcain GO!! __________________ CalGuns.net / Gpal.net / Fast50s.com / Slide Motorsports / Advanced Metal Finishing & Powder Coating / greateryamaha.com / Bell / Leo Vince / Gpr Stabilizer /Oury Grip / www.sportbikeswest.com / Catalyst Reaction Susp / Elka Shocks / Race Tech / Inhouse Susp / two2cool / Works Connection / motionpro.com / Tech Spec / SupermotoUSA / axialvideo.com / bickleracing.com / Got Moto Parts

09-04-2008, 02:26 PM	#4
Cyanide41 Canyon Carver Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: San Diego Posts: 507 iTrader: (0) Rep Power: 6 (20)	Comparisions like this make me very defensive. No 1 canidate has all the right answers. I have not decided who I am voting for but, I don't like bias comaprisions Also, some of these facts listed are twisted to make McCain look better. For example: Obama voted against the bill to ban late term abortions because it did not contain a clause to protect the life of the mother. Now if your wife, and mother of your kids was pregnant and would die if she did not abort the baby, what would you have her do? Undoubtably that is a very tough choice for your wife and family to make. I feel that should be your choice and if it were up to McCain, you would not have a choice. Personally I lean more towards "pro-life" but definately think there are circumstances where they should be allowed. So if I wanted one sided mud slinging, I would just watch campaing commericals. __________________ ..::JAMES::.. Last edited by Cyanide41 : 09-04-2008 at 02:30 PM.

09-04-2008, 03:15 PM	#5
Bad-mofo Canyon Carver Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Aliso Viejo, CA Bikes: 03 R6, 04 R1, 06 450SMR Age: 38 Posts: 556 iTrader: (0) Rep Power: 6 (16)	What he said ^^^. Biased to say the least. Just withholding small things can manipulate facts and completely distort the picture. Abortion-schmabortion... I'm amazed how educated people in the 21st Century even consider it election-level issue compared to the financial sh_t the country is in... Middle-class used to be able to afford houses... not anymore, and even apart from real estate the wages can't keep up with prices. The "American dream" is about to shatter. Unemployment, college degrees mean nothing at least in my field, nice secure middle class white-collar jobs are going to third-world countries like India, and the bulk of manufacturing (blue collar jobs) is already in China, so what we're left with? Changing hospital diapers of wealthy retired baby boomers? Or we should all invest in job-stealing companies like Tata Consultancy Services and live off dividents. Or even simpler... the entire population starts collecting welfare. Who gives a f_ck about abortion or the president being a war hero (30- years ago). It's about his ability to get the country out of the mess it's in. The taxes issue is a 100% political game. Democrats want Bush's tax cut to expire so then they can "cut" taxes themselves to take credit for that. Politicians. What else you expect from them? To really care about your $$$? I'm curious though where's Obama's cut-off of "95% of all working families". I have an impression I wouldn't be included (as always). Neither of those parties cares about middle class because we're the minority now. I equally dislike them both. Last edited by Bad-mofo : 09-04-2008 at 03:18 PM.

09-05-2008, 07:31 AM	#6
Cyanide41 Canyon Carver Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: San Diego Posts: 507 iTrader: (0) Rep Power: 6 (20)	I do support McCain's stance on 2nd Amendment rights. Less "control" and stricter penalties for criminals. I also like his support of Veterans. I was really turned off about the whole Britney Spears/Paris Hilton bit. Don't get me wrong, I strongly dislike both these women. How can McCain put them in his commerical and then say "I don't know Paris Hilton and Britney Spears but they are international celebrities, so, you know, apples to apples."? So he said, "Hey I don't know these celebrities, but all celebrities are the same" which I fgind a little scary. What other generalizations does he make about people? __________________ ..::JAMES::..

09-05-2008, 08:56 AM	#7
SolidForce Know It All Join Date: May 2005 Location: Santa Clarita Age: 28 Posts: 414 iTrader: (0) Rep Power: 6 (38)	So you guys like Bush too? Sarah Palin Gender Card \| The Daily Show \| Comedy Central -SF __________________ *Yaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr! FTW!!!!!!!!!!!!* F.T.W. Racing

09-05-2008, 10:03 AM	#8
Bad-mofo Canyon Carver Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Aliso Viejo, CA Bikes: 03 R6, 04 R1, 06 450SMR Age: 38 Posts: 556 iTrader: (0) Rep Power: 6 (16)	Pro-gun movement let alone just "support" is largely irrelevant for our socialist state that makes its own rules. And really... any politician's "support", opinion, or stand on the issue means absolutely nothing unless he has plans to do anything about the issue. Though nice to have, [assault] gun ownership is more of a recreational activity for 99% of the population. Overall lower taxes... yeah, sure, who wouldn't want them, but when my employment is on the line, when wages in my industry are back to early 90's levels, I'm more concerned with that then a 5% tax cut (it's always a couple percent in my bracket). Gotta make money to pay taxes. I got a very bad feeling after McCain's speech last night. He and his "pro-business" party are not going to lift a finger to address the issue with white-collar jobs going overseas. He calls it "participation in the global economy" or something like that. No, wait a second... now I recall his plan. When it comes to worst and IT becomes 100% Indian (in 10-15 years per my conservative estimate), he'd send people like me to community colleges to learn something new. I wonder what it'd be and why a person with Masters degree needs to go to community college. Stupid me. To learn Hindi of course. Anyway that's his plan: community colleges. And while my post is my own interpretation which is the matter of opinion, here's one FACT about McCain. Yesterday I tried to search the Net to find out who slave traders (like Tata Consultancy Services) favor. The answer is obvious though they're very cautious and avoid political statements. Gotta ask their employees at work granted there are 200+ of them here. Anyway, I did another search and... Google "Indian outsourcing McCain" and see what comes up first: Campaign Silo » McCain Money Man Randy Altschuler Renowned For Outsourcing U.S. Jobs Forget about programmers who make "too much". Business visionaries took it to the new level. Now any white-collar office job (which means ALL of them) can be shipped to India. After all people there can learn Excel and Power Point even quicker than Americans, as they're obviously more motivated. I don't idealize Obama, but at least he's acknowledged the problem; Which he most likely is not going to do anything about just like McCain because it'd mean going against big money (Microsoft, Cisco, IBM, and such) who run this country. Like I said, opinions or comforting acknowledgment of the issue don't matter, actions do. Both make pessimistic statements like "it cannot be reversed", but from what I see at work (200-300 of them here on legal H1B and illegal L1 visas) at this stage the reversal is as easy as cutting the H1B program and enforcing L1 and B1 visa regulations. In 10 years after everything moves to India and they don't need to keep any staff here, then sure it'll become irreversible. Here's the best unbiased article I've found on the issue: Vijay Prashad: Obama and Outsourcing Last edited by Bad-mofo : 09-05-2008 at 11:09 AM.

09-06-2008, 03:23 PM	#9
seesm Track Junkie Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Auburn, California Bikes: (2) 2007 R6's, lots of minibikes and a Bobcat ready to work... Posts: 1,020 iTrader: (3) Rep Power: 5 (30)	I agree if your wife is gonna die yeah abort the child but they is more in depth to what we are talking here. Is this one sided yeah just like everything on Tv is one sided and if you decided to watch one comercial and agree with what it is saying you will find another saying the exact opposite. I guess I just should have said McCain appears to have more to offer to the United States than Barrack Hussein Osama. I hate the idea that with BHO will will have to hide our guns. __________________ CalGuns.net / Gpal.net / Fast50s.com / Slide Motorsports / Advanced Metal Finishing & Powder Coating / greateryamaha.com / Bell / Leo Vince / Gpr Stabilizer /Oury Grip / www.sportbikeswest.com / Catalyst Reaction Susp / Elka Shocks / Race Tech / Inhouse Susp / two2cool / Works Connection / motionpro.com / Tech Spec / SupermotoUSA / axialvideo.com / bickleracing.com / Got Moto Parts

11-04-2008, 09:32 PM	#10
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