Would you ride on retreaded tires?

SPEED · 05-24-2005, 10:40 AM

"Mad Kaw Racing takes 4th in Middleweight Superstock Class at Virginia International Raceway on Tomahawk Tires."

http://roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=22951 :yikes

I have personally not tried retreads, but have heard from a couple sources that when they tried them, the tires were out of round (Not perfectly round) causing a bunpy ride.

In the article above, the Mad Racing Team got a 4th place on them during a race out of 15 entries in the Middleweight Superstock Class, and 18th overall out of 50 entries, and they did it on remanufactured Tomahawk Tires.

I don't think I'll be ready for quite awhile to put my trust in them. I'd like to see more testing done in various types of conditions.

What are your thoughts?.....ready to try them out yet? :dunno

mrXBma · 05-24-2005, 10:42 AM

I'll stick with my DC or Pilot Powers (if I like those this weekend) for now

Chiricahua · 05-24-2005, 12:41 PM

:yikes :wtf

SPEED · 05-24-2005, 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiricahua

:yikes :wtf

:dunno

Chiricahua · 05-24-2005, 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SPEED

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiricahua

:yikes :wtf

:dunno

:yikes :wtf Retreads? Pure insanity! :yikes

What ever floats your boat, I guess.

I'm no where near ready to try them, and I'm about as slow as they come. :spit

Throttlepimp · 05-24-2005, 01:47 PM

As far as the Tomahawks a buddy bought some green ones and ran em' on his Kawi (really where else?).

I'm waiting til' they make some purple ones so I can do a Grape Ape themed Hyabusa!!!
:moon

Its hard enough for me to trust some manufacters regular motorcycle tires, no way would I run retreads...on any of my vehicles.

rc51phreak · 05-24-2005, 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SPEED

"Mad Kaw Racing takes 4th in Middleweight Superstock Class at Virginia International Raceway on Tomahawk Tires."

http://roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=22951 :yikes

I have personally not tried retreads, but have heard from a couple sources that when they tried them, the tires were out of round (Not perfectly round) causing a bunpy ride.

In the article above, the Mad Racing Team got a 4th place on them during a race out of 15 entries in the Middleweight Superstock Class, and 18th overall out of 50 entries, and they did it on remanufactured Tomahawk Tires.

I don't think I'll be ready for quite awhile to put my trust in them. I'd like to see more testing done in various types of conditions.

What are your thoughts?.....ready to try them out yet? :dunno

Why aren't you ready you've been running on retreads most of your adult life and haven't had any probs have ya? think about it a tractor trailer combo is probablly as hard on tires as running a few laps at willow.....most of the time with a re tread the tread comes off and air stays in the tire the effect of a blown tire have to be close to the same on new tires as retreads at the track.....wouldn't ride them on the street nessicarly but in a closed course envirorment why not.....course i'd like to see dunlop or p-relli or mi****len make them my concern is more with tomahawk as a company...

SPEED · 05-24-2005, 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rc51phreak

Quote:

Originally Posted by SPEED

"Mad Kaw Racing takes 4th in Middleweight Superstock Class at Virginia International Raceway on Tomahawk Tires."

http://roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=22951 :yikes

I have personally not tried retreads, but have heard from a couple sources that when they tried them, the tires were out of round (Not perfectly round) causing a bunpy ride.

In the article above, the Mad Racing Team got a 4th place on them during a race out of 15 entries in the Middleweight Superstock Class, and 18th overall out of 50 entries, and they did it on remanufactured Tomahawk Tires.

I don't think I'll be ready for quite awhile to put my trust in them. I'd like to see more testing done in various types of conditions.

What are your thoughts?.....ready to try them out yet? :dunno

Why aren't you ready you've been running on retreads most of your adult life and haven't had any probs have ya? think about it a tractor trailer combo is probablly as hard on tires as running a few laps at willow.....most of the time with a re tread the tread comes off and air stays in the tire the effect of a blown tire have to be close to the same on new tires as retreads at the track.....wouldn't ride them on the street nessicarly but in a closed course envirorment why not.....course i'd like to see dunlop or p-relli or mi****len make them my concern is more with tomahawk as a company...

Hahaha, my young truck driver wanna-be......Retreads are not leagal to run as steering tires, and quite often when the retread comes apart, the tire blows.....however, on a big truck, I have extra tires to help prevent an accident unlike on a two-wheeled motorcycle.

Just not enough real world testing done for me yet, but feel free :wave

rrwantr · 05-24-2005, 02:03 PM

These are not what we typically think of as retreads (like they use on 18 wheelers). Look into it (believe RRW had an article a few months ago on how the Tomohawks are made), they're actually made very similar to new tires. ...I'd try them.

Here's a quote from the AFM guy that races them...

I'm sponsored by Tomahawk so you guys may think I am bias. This is my honest opinion and some facts. I've been doing a lot of R&D work for these guys over the last 6 months. I can tell you guys that Tomahawk is the real deal. They are not some mom and pop shop looking to make a buck. They have a huge factory with tires to the roof. I've seen how they are made and the process is almost identical to a new tire from the carcass on up. They are not retreads like most think but remolds. The only difference is that the carcass was used once. The carcass of a race tire only has a few hours on it. It's the out side rubber that goes.

The machine that molds the tires is basically the same as the machine that molds a new tire. The process of placing the rubber is almost identical to the process of placing rubber on a new tire. Added reassurance is that each tire goes through a fancy X-ray machine called Laser Shearography to check for any problems. If there are any, the tire is chucked. So far almost all of the tires have been perfect.

As far has performance I've been on every compound they sell plus a lot of prototype compounds. First off the colored (can get them in black too) tires are not racing tires. Like someone posted previous they are somewhere between the sport touring range and a sport tire. I've been on a few colored tires at the track and I got to the limits of them but was surprised with how predictable they felt. For the street guys they are great.

The race compounds are awesome and getting even better. They have a compound now that I really like and I raced on it at California Speedway for the opening round of WERA. I was just using their front because the rear slick is not ready yet and I got a 4th, 6th, and 7th. My times were off by only 0.2 seconds from my best time there. 1:35.6, I think I would have qualified for the AMA Supersport race last year and this was on a Tomahawk This weekend at buttonwillow I had a different compound I was testing in practice. My practice times were the fastest I had ever gone in practice with times in the 1:55s. I would have like to have raced on Tomahawks but they just wanted to have me test them in practice in preparation for the up coming AMA race. In the race I got down to 1:53s but I'm sure that if I was on the Tomahawks my times would have been the same. I don't push as hard in practice. I finished 5th in 600 superbike and started in row 4 and 4th in Formula one and started in row 8.

Earlier today I was out on Tomahawks Supermoto CRF450 at Stockton's motorplex and Doug Chandler was out there. I was on a set of Tomahawks front and rear that I used last week and was only 1.9 seconds off of Doug's time. By the way Doug is a super cool guy. This was only my 3rd time on the bike and he really helped me set it up. The tires worked great, they were the race compound slicks.

I'm really excited about these tires. When I started working with them 6 months ago I told them that if we could get the tires within 10% of other name brands that I would be happy with that. I would say right now that they are equal to what is out on the market now. I am extremely happy how far they have come in such a short time. I think that they are only going to get better. You can also request what carcass you would like them built on.

I know that there may be skeptics out there. I was one, but now that I know how they are made how they grip, I am confident in recommending them to anyone. It's good for the sport, more competition in the tire market is good for the consumer no matter what brand they decide to buy.

If anyone has any questions, you can call me on my cell at 925-383-7438. I would be happy to explain in more detail to anyone about the tires.

I will most likely be on them this weekend at the AMA race at California Speedway. This is my first AMA event so wish me luck.

rrwantr · 05-24-2005, 02:06 PM

That was in march of 04...I know I've read some recent stuff from him and it's even more positive...

View Poll Results: Would you ride on retreaded tires?
Yes, absolutely!	5	7.94%
Maybe if I were given the oportunity to try them out for free.	4	6.35%
Not yet, I would like more testing done before risking my life!	9	14.29%
No way!! Those things scare me!!	44	69.84%
Whatever is cheapest, because I am CHEAP!	1	1.59%
Voters: 63. You may not vote on this poll

05-24-2005, 10:40 AM	#1
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05-24-2005, 12:41 PM	#3
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05-24-2005, 01:47 PM	#6
Throttlepimp Track Junkie Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: South of the 78. Posts: 1,203 iTrader: (0) Rep Power: 5 (39)	As far as the Tomahawks a buddy bought some green ones and ran em' on his Kawi (really where else?). I'm waiting til' they make some purple ones so I can do a Grape Ape themed Hyabusa!!! :moon Its hard enough for me to trust some manufacters regular motorcycle tires, no way would I run retreads...on any of my vehicles. __________________ An adreneal gland is a terrible thing to waste...

05-24-2005, 02:03 PM	#9
rrwantr Track Junkie Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Ridgecrest, CA Posts: 1,139 iTrader: (0) Rep Power: 6 (10)	These are not what we typically think of as retreads (like they use on 18 wheelers). Look into it (believe RRW had an article a few months ago on how the Tomohawks are made), they're actually made very similar to new tires. ...I'd try them. Here's a quote from the AFM guy that races them... I'm sponsored by Tomahawk so you guys may think I am bias. This is my honest opinion and some facts. I've been doing a lot of R&D work for these guys over the last 6 months. I can tell you guys that Tomahawk is the real deal. They are not some mom and pop shop looking to make a buck. They have a huge factory with tires to the roof. I've seen how they are made and the process is almost identical to a new tire from the carcass on up. They are not retreads like most think but remolds. The only difference is that the carcass was used once. The carcass of a race tire only has a few hours on it. It's the out side rubber that goes. The machine that molds the tires is basically the same as the machine that molds a new tire. The process of placing the rubber is almost identical to the process of placing rubber on a new tire. Added reassurance is that each tire goes through a fancy X-ray machine called Laser Shearography to check for any problems. If there are any, the tire is chucked. So far almost all of the tires have been perfect. As far has performance I've been on every compound they sell plus a lot of prototype compounds. First off the colored (can get them in black too) tires are not racing tires. Like someone posted previous they are somewhere between the sport touring range and a sport tire. I've been on a few colored tires at the track and I got to the limits of them but was surprised with how predictable they felt. For the street guys they are great. The race compounds are awesome and getting even better. They have a compound now that I really like and I raced on it at California Speedway for the opening round of WERA. I was just using their front because the rear slick is not ready yet and I got a 4th, 6th, and 7th. My times were off by only 0.2 seconds from my best time there. 1:35.6, I think I would have qualified for the AMA Supersport race last year and this was on a Tomahawk This weekend at buttonwillow I had a different compound I was testing in practice. My practice times were the fastest I had ever gone in practice with times in the 1:55s. I would have like to have raced on Tomahawks but they just wanted to have me test them in practice in preparation for the up coming AMA race. In the race I got down to 1:53s but I'm sure that if I was on the Tomahawks my times would have been the same. I don't push as hard in practice. I finished 5th in 600 superbike and started in row 4 and 4th in Formula one and started in row 8. Earlier today I was out on Tomahawks Supermoto CRF450 at Stockton's motorplex and Doug Chandler was out there. I was on a set of Tomahawks front and rear that I used last week and was only 1.9 seconds off of Doug's time. By the way Doug is a super cool guy. This was only my 3rd time on the bike and he really helped me set it up. The tires worked great, they were the race compound slicks. I'm really excited about these tires. When I started working with them 6 months ago I told them that if we could get the tires within 10% of other name brands that I would be happy with that. I would say right now that they are equal to what is out on the market now. I am extremely happy how far they have come in such a short time. I think that they are only going to get better. You can also request what carcass you would like them built on. I know that there may be skeptics out there. I was one, but now that I know how they are made how they grip, I am confident in recommending them to anyone. It's good for the sport, more competition in the tire market is good for the consumer no matter what brand they decide to buy. If anyone has any questions, you can call me on my cell at 925-383-7438. I would be happy to explain in more detail to anyone about the tires. I will most likely be on them this weekend at the AMA race at California Speedway. This is my first AMA event so wish me luck. __________________ Learn and refine your skills as you ride your bike in a controlled, safe and fun environment. Take it to the track!

05-24-2005, 10:42 AM	#2
mrXBma Administrator Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: So cal Posts: 927 iTrader: (0) Rep Power: 5 (32)	I'll stick with my DC or Pilot Powers (if I like those this weekend) for now

05-24-2005, 02:06 PM	#10
rrwantr Track Junkie Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Ridgecrest, CA Posts: 1,139 iTrader: (0) Rep Power: 6 (10)	That was in march of 04...I know I've read some recent stuff from him and it's even more positive... __________________ Learn and refine your skills as you ride your bike in a controlled, safe and fun environment. Take it to the track!

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