MotoGP- Jerez race results - Page 6

Freakshow999 · 04-11-2005, 06:29 PM

Some interesting data I just pulled off of MotoGP.com
Dani Pedrosa the winner of the 250 race was running the same lap times as Nicky Hayden and his top average speed winning his race was only 5 km slower than Rossi's winning average speed....

Maybe they should all just go back to 250 racing and we'll really see what's what :dunno :notooth

You should watch the 250 races they're really good and alot of the time better than the GP races imho. :thumbup

corredor · 04-12-2005, 01:41 PM

Well, I guess I have to get my 2 cents in there.

Let's say the two went down, who's fault is it? If there was a two rider crash in the exact same scenario, who would have been at fault?

Rossi penalized? Come on! Yeah he got the time penalty, but look at other similar passes that dude keeps bringing up and no one has addressed. Tamada gets penalized for a similar pass, but Rossi doesn't? Likewise, Hopper get penalized for a same type of "pack" pass and Capirossi doesn't?!! I hate FIM for their inconsistency and favoritism. I understand it's part of the political machine, but it's just plain bullsh?t! Do I have to like it, no! Can I speak my opinion, yep.

Winning at all costs? I tell you what, that's what the paddock mentality might be, but riders who soar above others don't show that mentality in their riding. Rossi is the best no doubt. I am not arguing that, but he screwed up, plain and simple this one time. I can't even buy for second that Gib was closing the door or using a defensive line, because how can you when it's painfully obvious he didn't see Rossi's front until the late apex! I see what I see and I wasn't there so that's how I have to interpret the video angles. I definitely think Rossi should have been suspended at least two races at least one for sure.

And to add insult to injury here's something off the Motogp site:

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Gibernau?s team announced that their rider?s participation in this weekend?s event is in doubt. A medical report compiled by doctors in his hometown of Barcelona has revealed a ?capsular injury to the joint linking his upper arm and shoulder blade?, damage that is reportedly being treated with an intensive course of physiotherapy, anti-inflammatory medication and daily ultrasound treatment.

rrwantr · 04-12-2005, 11:36 PM

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Rossi was right. Sete tried to close the door at the last second and that was that. It was the same exact entry as 2 laps prior...rewind your tivo and look at that. Same foot off and everything. That time Sete backed off (as he should have) and Rossi went through while Sete dove inside. Rossi came across the line 1st that time....Sete wasn't having it this time and "tried" to close the door. The only problem I have with the move is AFTER the contact when it looks like Rossi kept going wide on purpose to run him to the outside. Take a look at the following overhead animated gif. Show's it well in my opinion. Extend rossis line...it exits at the far edge of the track as usual....extend Sete's...it extends to the inside middle of the track...clearly a closing the door move. Rossi's in front also BEFORE the collision... All I can say is again...2 laps prior it was almost the same EXACT situation with Rossi coming out in front and Sete checking up.. Sete wasn't having it again and tried unsuccessfully to combat Rossi's move.

http://img140.echo.cx/img140/2076/rossi8pd.gif

PS I was actually cheering for Sete...so no Rossi loving here.

I could easily throw my bike in front of someone to beat them to a turn as well. As a matter of fact, I did it to someone (one of their racers) at an MTC trackday that passed me on the inside when they have a strict "No inside passing" rule. He passed me on the inside real close, then I gassed it hard, and got my bike in front of his by at least a wheel by taking the inside tight while he took the "Race" line in the very next turn. I knew he was going to bump me when I did it, and of course he did end up bumping me. He sure was surprised! Too bad he didn't have those eyes in the back of his head like Sete did, lmao. I knew it was wrong, but I was pissed that he kept breaking the rule. Rossi's move was unsafe, and intentional as was mine!

As far as your foot down theory...he took his foot off the peg a few times prior, but didn't place it on the ground in a "Dirt track" manner like he was going to hit a burm until that last lap.

It was no fricking dirt track manner...it touched the ground all of about 1/100 of a second.. :laughing To me that's a bunch of bs. If you don't think he'd have made that corner, just take a fricking look like I said at the same corner 2 laps prior...same conditions..in just as hot...Rossi jamming it in there etc... and same result...Rossi out of it in 1st. Rossi's been docked in prior instances when it called for it. If officials thought he should be docked he would have period. It's over and he won. If Cap didn't get penalized for his punting there's no way in heck that Rossi should get penalized for this as it wasn't even close to the same.. Guess the true end of story is he won...guess that says it all. Rossi now owns Sete...he will never cease to be looking over his shoulder not matter what pt of the race it is.

SPEED · 04-13-2005, 12:11 AM

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Rossi was right. Sete tried to close the door at the last second and that was that. It was the same exact entry as 2 laps prior...rewind your tivo and look at that. Same foot off and everything. That time Sete backed off (as he should have) and Rossi went through while Sete dove inside. Rossi came across the line 1st that time....Sete wasn't having it this time and "tried" to close the door. The only problem I have with the move is AFTER the contact when it looks like Rossi kept going wide on purpose to run him to the outside. Take a look at the following overhead animated gif. Show's it well in my opinion. Extend rossis line...it exits at the far edge of the track as usual....extend Sete's...it extends to the inside middle of the track...clearly a closing the door move. Rossi's in front also BEFORE the collision... All I can say is again...2 laps prior it was almost the same EXACT situation with Rossi coming out in front and Sete checking up.. Sete wasn't having it again and tried unsuccessfully to combat Rossi's move.

http://img140.echo.cx/img140/2076/rossi8pd.gif

PS I was actually cheering for Sete...so no Rossi loving here.

I could easily throw my bike in front of someone to beat them to a turn as well. As a matter of fact, I did it to someone (one of their racers) at an MTC trackday that passed me on the inside when they have a strict "No inside passing" rule. He passed me on the inside real close, then I gassed it hard, and got my bike in front of his by at least a wheel by taking the inside tight while he took the "Race" line in the very next turn. I knew he was going to bump me when I did it, and of course he did end up bumping me. He sure was surprised! Too bad he didn't have those eyes in the back of his head like Sete did, lmao. I knew it was wrong, but I was pissed that he kept breaking the rule. Rossi's move was unsafe, and intentional as was mine!

As far as your foot down theory...he took his foot off the peg a few times prior, but didn't place it on the ground in a "Dirt track" manner like he was going to hit a burm until that last lap.

It was no fricking dirt track manner...it touched the ground all of about 1/100 of a second.. :laughing To me that's a bunch of bs. If you don't think he'd have made that corner, just take a fricking look like I said at the same corner 2 laps prior...same conditions..in just as hot...Rossi jamming it in there etc... and same result...Rossi out of it in 1st. Rossi's been docked in prior instances when it called for it. If officials thought he should be docked he would have period. It's over and he won. If Cap didn't get penalized for his punting there's no way in heck that Rossi should get penalized for this as it wasn't even close to the same.. Guess the true end of story is he won...guess that says it all. Rossi now owns Sete...he will never cease to be looking over his shoulder not matter what pt of the race it is.

So in dirtbiking one must have it on the ground all the time? Get a clue little boy. Rossiprick was pissed that Sete passed him back after the first attemt to claim the number 1 position, and made an unsafe move to get what he wanted. What's your experience with dirtbiking again? :dunno :spit

TZRaceR6 · 04-13-2005, 09:25 AM

It doesn't matter anymore. Apparently, no appeal was brought to DORNA, so the points stand.

This all just boils down to whether Rossi should of made the move or not, and like I said, if he wanted the win, then he had to make that move. I don't consider it very Rossi-like though. Usually Rossi is very smooth and makes quality passes. The pass he made on that last corner was something I'd expect from Biaggi or Tamada, not Rossifume.

On a side note, you all think that Rossi is in Sete's head. I say it's the other way around. Rossi knows Sete is the only one who can pass him and maintain his speed. This is why I think Rossi made that move. Either that or Rossi isn't happy unless he's got a rival who doesn't like him and since Biaggi has gone away, now it's Sete's turn.

04-11-2005, 06:29 PM	#51
Freakshow999 Canyon Carver Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Newport Beach Posts: 571 iTrader: (0) Rep Power: 5 (10)	Some interesting data I just pulled off of MotoGP.com Dani Pedrosa the winner of the 250 race was running the same lap times as Nicky Hayden and his top average speed winning his race was only 5 km slower than Rossi's winning average speed.... Maybe they should all just go back to 250 racing and we'll really see what's what :dunno :notooth You should watch the 250 races they're really good and alot of the time better than the GP races imho. :thumbup __________________

04-13-2005, 09:25 AM	#55
TZRaceR6 Know It All Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: The Valley Posts: 266 iTrader: (0) Rep Power: 4 (10)	It doesn't matter anymore. Apparently, no appeal was brought to DORNA, so the points stand. This all just boils down to whether Rossi should of made the move or not, and like I said, if he wanted the win, then he had to make that move. I don't consider it very Rossi-like though. Usually Rossi is very smooth and makes quality passes. The pass he made on that last corner was something I'd expect from Biaggi or Tamada, not Rossifume. On a side note, you all think that Rossi is in Sete's head. I say it's the other way around. Rossi knows Sete is the only one who can pass him and maintain his speed. This is why I think Rossi made that move. Either that or Rossi isn't happy unless he's got a rival who doesn't like him and since Biaggi has gone away, now it's Sete's turn. __________________ Team: 03 R6 / 98 TZ250 / 90 FZR400 Orgs: WSMC #716 / USGP #716 Sponsors: ACSAS Tech / Wheel 2 Wheel / Takeit2thetrack / Goodridge / CRS Tuning / Vortex Racing / Hotbodies / RK Racing Chains / Zero Gravity / Utopia Optics My website: http://www.acsastech.com/acsas-racing/Home.html Suspension by: Catalyst Reaction Suspension Tuning

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