Many new riders this summer.

SPEED · 05-15-2006, 10:32 AM

With gas prices sky rocketing & summer almost here, there is going to be a huge influx of new riders. Please take the time to offer advice on how important good gear is & if possible offer to become a mentor. We all know what it's like to be a newbie & lots of us can honestly say it would have been nice for some quality time with a good rider/mentor. Sometimes they just don't care to listen but sometimes they do..... it's worth a shot :thumbup

S-EX636 · 05-15-2006, 11:03 AM

We've lost two riders so far here in Ridgecrest the past few months. Both of them doing stupid sutff. One was doing a wheelie and hit a median -died shortly after in the hospital. The other happened this past weekend. The rider was speeding in a 35mph zone (aprox 70mph from witness reports), a van made a left in front of him =splat. He might of survived alittle better, but he never straps his helmet -which flew off after the initial impact. He's laid up in the hostipal with a 20% chance of survival.

Both of these guys are new to the sport. Both thought they had the last name of Rossi. Hopefully, this will humble some of these fools out there.

(AND QUIT MAKING A BAD NAME FOR THE REST OF US!!!!)

Its kinda wierd, but I feel no remorse for these guys. In fact, if I would have seen either accident, I'm not sure I would of stopped to help them. I think its cause I don't consider them fellow riders, but instead punks!

So to all you punks out there: Settle the **** down!

not cool :thumbdown

SPEED · 05-15-2006, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by S-EX636

We've lost two riders so far here in Ridgecrest the past few months. Both of them doing stupid sutff. One was doing a wheelie and hit a median -died shortly after in the hospital. The other happened this past weekend. The rider was speeding in a 35mph zone (aprox 70mph from witness reports), a van made a left in front of him =splat. He might of survived alittle better, but he never straps his helmet -which flew off after the initial impact. He's laid up in the hostipal with a 20% chance of survival.

Both of these guys are new to the sport. Both thought they had the last name of Rossi. Hopefully, this will humble some of these fools out there.

(AND QUIT MAKING A BAD NAME FOR THE REST OF US!!!!)

Its kinda wierd, but I feel no remorse for these guys. In fact, if I would have seen either accident, I'm not sure I would of stopped to help them. I think its cause I don't consider them fellow riders, but instead punks!

So to all you punks out there: Settle the hello down!

not cool :thumbdown

Not sure how hurling insults at new riders is going to help :dunno

speedextreme16 · 05-15-2006, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by SPEED

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Originally Posted by S-EX636

We've lost two riders so far here in Ridgecrest the past few months. Both of them doing stupid sutff. One was doing a wheelie and hit a median -died shortly after in the hospital. The other happened this past weekend. The rider was speeding in a 35mph zone (aprox 70mph from witness reports), a van made a left in front of him =splat. He might of survived alittle better, but he never straps his helmet -which flew off after the initial impact. He's laid up in the hostipal with a 20% chance of survival.

Both of these guys are new to the sport. Both thought they had the last name of Rossi. Hopefully, this will humble some of these fools out there.

(AND QUIT MAKING A BAD NAME FOR THE REST OF US!!!!)

Its kinda wierd, but I feel no remorse for these guys. In fact, if I would have seen either accident, I'm not sure I would of stopped to help them. I think its cause I don't consider them fellow riders, but instead punks!

So to all you punks out there: Settle the hello down!

not cool :thumbdown

Not sure how hurling insults at new riders is going to help :dunno

What if we just throw insults at the older riders then, or in Mike's case, the older gimps.... :lmao :lmao
This one is for you Mike... :asshat :moon :funflip :laughing

S-EX636 · 05-15-2006, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by SPEED

Not sure how hurling insults at new riders is going to help :dunno

You're right Mike, I just get sooooooo upset about this issue. There are a bunch of new riders here in Ridgecrest, some of them live right around the corner from me, they love to fly through my neighborhood.

There's another guy who wheelies through the same intersection everytime (at lest he says so). I 'expressed' my concern as a fellow rider -he just laughed and thought I was joking with him (this was last night right after we talked about the guy who is currently laid up in the hospital). His reply was talking to me about a wheelie he pulled leaving Bakersfield and the wind almost threw his bike over (and the 6 tickets he's gotten lately -but none of them in town so its ok, so he says).
After that talk, I was pretty upset and won't ride with the guy ever -nor will I teach him anything about respect for the road, himself, cars, the machine between his legs, etc. unless he talks to me about riding.

To play Devils Advocate:
I guess I'm just dodging responsibility here? If I want safe roads, without a stereotype, then I should be constantly talking with these guys right?

I just don't want to go riding with a punch of idiots trying to show off instead of just enjoying a ride through beautiful SoCal.

Anyone have thoughts?

SPEED · 05-15-2006, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by S-EX636

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Originally Posted by SPEED

Not sure how hurling insults at new riders is going to help :dunno

You're right Mike, I just get sooooooo upset about this issue. There are a bunch of new riders here in Ridgecrest, some of them live right around the corner from me, they love to fly through my neighborhood.

There's another guy who wheelies through the same intersection everytime (at lest he says so). I 'expressed' my concern as a fellow rider -he just laughed and thought I was joking with him (this was last night right after we talked about the guy who is currently laid up in the hospital). His reply was talking to me about a wheelie he pulled leaving Bakersfield and the wind almost threw his bike over (and the 6 tickets he's gotten lately -but none of them in town so its ok, so he says).
After that talk, I was pretty upset and won't ride with the guy ever -nor will I teach him anything about respect for the road, himself, cars, the machine between his legs, etc. unless he talks to me about riding.

To play Devils Advocate:
I guess I'm just dodging responsibility here? If I want safe roads, without a stereotype, then I should be constantly talking with these guys right?

I just don't want to go riding with a punch of idiots trying to show off instead of just enjoying a ride through beautiful SoCal.

Anyone have thoughts?

I'm not advocating that we all have to ride with a group of people that we don't care for, but maybe offering to take them one on one for some schooling if they agree to let us help them learn.

Funny story: I'm getting ready to take off from work the other night & a new rider was coming out to the bike area. I asked if he rode the R-6 & he said yes. I asked if he rides the canyons & he said "No, I'm into stunting!" I said stunting is OK, but the real fun is tearing it up at the track.... he remarked...... "Must be an age thing!" :pat :spit :laughing

no_tys85 · 05-15-2006, 04:02 PM

HAHA! I think I said that very sentence to you once Mike... But I have to say you were very accepting and I decided to give the track a try, and LOVED it!!!! Anyone can buy a bike and get the front tire off the gound and call themselves a stunter. But the real skill of a rider comes out on the track. While I still love the feel of a good wheelie, I have come to understand that there is a time and a place for everything. I guess my point is if Mike had told me how "stupid or dumb" i was for trying to be a stunter I would have wanted to do it even more. (showing the immaturity of my youth). But by being that accepting made me that much more willing to listen to any advice he had to give.....

Gwyneth · 05-16-2006, 06:22 PM

I've seen quite a few out there in t-shirts, no gloves, tennis shoes, jacket on but not zipped up and I sadly shake my head. I don't know about the rest of you, but when I was young I had the mindset that it wouldn't happen to me because I'm smarter, stronger and had youth on my side. I've had my fair share of injuries and wish I had listened to the old-timers (my parents). I didn't listen and yeah, I'm still around but I'm paying for it. Now, I'm older, don't think I know it all, and want to live a long life filled with all the blessings life can give. I no longer need to prove myself to anyone.

Sometimes folks don't listen when you have something important to say, others need proof. Maybe showing pics of what happens when you don't wear the right gear, stunt on public roads, race, cross double yellow, etc. will show newbies the reality (and proof) behind those words of wisdom. There's always going to be the ones that blow you off, but maybe just maybe you reach one or two and make a difference. But, that'll never happen if you don't try to reach out first.

93GSXR_newbie · 05-24-2006, 01:17 PM

I know that I really don't have too much time in the saddle and I don't want to offend anyone here seeing as this appears to always be a sensitive subject with many that ride. I don't ride crazy or stupid. But I think that is due to two people S-EX636 and speedextreme16 who took the time out to show me how I should ride not as much skill as thinking about how to ride. I thank them for helping me and getting me out of my squid mode. I am still the slowest rider in my group but I also know that thanks to some friends letting me know that it's cool to ride within your comfort level and not your ego level. (Well aside from that first wreck when I tried to keep up with them, but that was the first and last time). So for some the lesson must be learned the hard way. Be it painful for them or for their families. R.I.P. - Tony Gora be you right or wrong when riding I still wish you were riding among use. :sorry

S-EX636 · 05-24-2006, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by 93GSXR_newbie

I know that I really don't have too much time in the saddle and I don't want to offend anyone here seeing as this appears to always be a sensitive subject with many that ride. I don't ride crazy or stupid. But I think that is due to two people S-EX636 and speedextreme16 who took the time out to show me how I should ride not as much skill as thinking about how to ride. I thank them for helping me and getting me out of my squid mode. I am still the slowest rider in my group but I also know that thanks to some friends letting me know that it's cool to ride within your comfort level and not your ego level. (Well aside from that first wreck when I tried to keep up with them, but that was the first and last time). So for some the lesson must be learned the hard way. Be it painful for them or for their families. R.I.P. - Tony Gora be you right or wrong when riding I still wish you were riding among use. :sorry

RIP Tony... You are right 93GSXR... I too have learned many riding lessons the hard way -one dealing with fatigue/microsleep/target fixation and another dealing with fatigue/sleep (I actually fell asleep riding!!) both of which I was lucky to survive.

No worries about overcoming the squid mode, I think everyone has it in them at sometime in thier riding careers. Anytime you're ready for a ride -call me. Maybe this weekend? Whacha think Speedextreme16, rrwntr? Just a little something to K-ville and back?

05-15-2006, 10:32 AM	#1
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05-15-2006, 11:03 AM	#2
S-EX636 Know It All Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Just north of Randsburg Age: 30 Posts: 478 iTrader: (0) Rep Power: 4 (33)	RANT We've lost two riders so far here in Ridgecrest the past few months. Both of them doing stupid sutff. One was doing a wheelie and hit a median -died shortly after in the hospital. The other happened this past weekend. The rider was speeding in a 35mph zone (aprox 70mph from witness reports), a van made a left in front of him =splat. He might of survived alittle better, but he never straps his helmet -which flew off after the initial impact. He's laid up in the hostipal with a 20% chance of survival. Both of these guys are new to the sport. Both thought they had the last name of Rossi. Hopefully, this will humble some of these fools out there. (AND QUIT MAKING A BAD NAME FOR THE REST OF US!!!!) Its kinda wierd, but I feel no remorse for these guys. In fact, if I would have seen either accident, I'm not sure I would of stopped to help them. I think its cause I don't consider them fellow riders, but instead punks! So to all you punks out there: Settle the **** down! not cool :thumbdown

05-15-2006, 04:02 PM	#7
no_tys85 Squid Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Tustin, CA Posts: 138 iTrader: (0) Rep Power: 4 (10)	HAHA! I think I said that very sentence to you once Mike... But I have to say you were very accepting and I decided to give the track a try, and LOVED it!!!! Anyone can buy a bike and get the front tire off the gound and call themselves a stunter. But the real skill of a rider comes out on the track. While I still love the feel of a good wheelie, I have come to understand that there is a time and a place for everything. I guess my point is if Mike had told me how "stupid or dumb" i was for trying to be a stunter I would have wanted to do it even more. (showing the immaturity of my youth). But by being that accepting made me that much more willing to listen to any advice he had to give..... __________________ I complained that I had no shoes until I met a man who had no feet. ~Irish Proverb

05-24-2006, 01:17 PM	#9
93GSXR_newbie Newbie Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: A place you catch Valley Fever Bikes: 07 SV650S Age: 29 Posts: 32 iTrader: (0) Rep Power: 0 (14)	I know that I really don't have too much time in the saddle and I don't want to offend anyone here seeing as this appears to always be a sensitive subject with many that ride. I don't ride crazy or stupid. But I think that is due to two people S-EX636 and speedextreme16 who took the time out to show me how I should ride not as much skill as thinking about how to ride. I thank them for helping me and getting me out of my squid mode. I am still the slowest rider in my group but I also know that thanks to some friends letting me know that it's cool to ride within your comfort level and not your ego level. (Well aside from that first wreck when I tried to keep up with them, but that was the first and last time). So for some the lesson must be learned the hard way. Be it painful for them or for their families. R.I.P. - Tony Gora be you right or wrong when riding I still wish you were riding among use. :sorry __________________ "It could be that the purpose of your life is only to serve as a warning to others" --- www.despair.com ---

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05-16-2006, 06:22 PM	#8
Gwyneth Club Racer Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: North County San Diego Bikes: 05 Kawasaki ZZR600 Age: 35 Posts: 2,006 iTrader: (0) Rep Power: 6 (56)	I've seen quite a few out there in t-shirts, no gloves, tennis shoes, jacket on but not zipped up and I sadly shake my head. I don't know about the rest of you, but when I was young I had the mindset that it wouldn't happen to me because I'm smarter, stronger and had youth on my side. I've had my fair share of injuries and wish I had listened to the old-timers (my parents). I didn't listen and yeah, I'm still around but I'm paying for it. Now, I'm older, don't think I know it all, and want to live a long life filled with all the blessings life can give. I no longer need to prove myself to anyone. Sometimes folks don't listen when you have something important to say, others need proof. Maybe showing pics of what happens when you don't wear the right gear, stunt on public roads, race, cross double yellow, etc. will show newbies the reality (and proof) behind those words of wisdom. There's always going to be the ones that blow you off, but maybe just maybe you reach one or two and make a difference. But, that'll never happen if you don't try to reach out first.