Riding question for you pros - Page 2

VeeJay · 02-06-2007, 06:18 PM

whenever I trail brake it usually causes the bike to stand up a bit...

trail brake followed by more countersteer will usually lead to low side

SPACEBOY · 02-06-2007, 06:30 PM

Hmm...well no one has a definitive answer here. There are some suggestions I agree with and some I don't. Trying to think what it is I do in this situation and I can say that I probably do ease off the throttle slightly to tighten up the turn. What I dont know is if I give any counter steer at this point. I am not sure that in this situation if giving more counter steering imput would lead to a lowside or not.

firehawk · 02-06-2007, 06:41 PM

Keep in mind....I said ease back on the throttle just a little....NEVER let completely off of it.

02-06-2007, 06:45 PM

brendan, you haven't given a definitive situation. I think that if you want a more definitve answer, you should desribe the actual turn in question.

There are too many variables being left out to give you a clear and concise answer.

Uphill, level, or down hill?
Decreasing Radius, constant, Increasing radius?
street or track?
Is the bike running wide or is the corner speed too slow?
Is the rider trail braking or not?
etc.etc.etc.?

SPACEBOY · 02-06-2007, 06:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by animal

brendan, you haven't given a definitive situation. I think that if you want a more definitve answer, you should desribe the actual turn in question.

There are too many variables being left out to give you a clear and concise answer.

Uphill, level, or down hill?
Decreasing Radius, constant, Increasing radius?
street or track?
Is the bike running wide or is the corner speed too slow?
Is the rider trail braking or not?
etc.etc.etc.?

Ok, well lets keep this simple then.
Level ground
Constant radius turn
street
bike is running wide
no trail braking
Throttle neutral

02-06-2007, 06:57 PM

Press in direction of turn. It really is that simple.

If you're running wide in a turn, look as far as you can and press in same direction. Yes, it's countersteering. Very miniscule amount but that's all it takes.

Your mind doesn't want to hear that your front tire isn't going in the direction of the corner, but that's how it works. It just takes time and practice to really make it work well for you.

02-06-2007, 06:58 PM

Look through the turn more. You'd be suprised what the bike will do. If that's not enough, pull the bike down more with your body, outside leg pull and dropping the inside shoulder. Usually people that lean more end up realizing that the bike will handle and have to change thier shorts.

In regards to all the countersteering talk, that should all be done on the entrance of the turn. After that, I would do my best to not make any more input to the bars at the apex. There are other things that are less subtle that will turn the bike. Countersteering at the apex is too much input.

JakeR1 · 02-06-2007, 07:00 PM

You also said that it was at max lean. The only way to tighten up a turn at max lean would be to take away some speed. (read: you can't countersteer anymore because if you are at max lean, any more lean would make you lowside.)

SPACEBOY · 02-06-2007, 07:05 PM

Max lean is also a relative term. As Steve pointed out you may feel like you are maxed out but the bike usually can take a fair amount more lean if you have the balls for it. So maybe the term "max lean" in the original post is a little misleading.

02-06-2007, 07:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JakeR1

You also said that it was at max lean. The only way to tighten up a turn at max lean would be to take away some speed. (read: you can't countersteer anymore because if you are at max lean, any more lean would make you lowside.)

Heh heh, Yeah, You can always use that DIG your kneepuck into the ground for that third brake effect (which will actually work to a degree)

02-06-2007, 06:18 PM	#11
VeeJay Squid Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: San Diego, CA Age: 30 Posts: 108 iTrader: (0) Rep Power: 4 (13)	whenever I trail brake it usually causes the bike to stand up a bit... trail brake followed by more countersteer will usually lead to low side __________________ STTARS #323 WERA #323 - 06 Husqvarna SM450R - - 99 Husqvarna CR125 - - 88 Yamaha YSR 200cc -

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02-06-2007, 06:30 PM	#12
SPACEBOY Club Racer Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 2,204 iTrader: (1) Rep Power: 6 (40)	Hmm...well no one has a definitive answer here. There are some suggestions I agree with and some I don't. Trying to think what it is I do in this situation and I can say that I probably do ease off the throttle slightly to tighten up the turn. What I dont know is if I give any counter steer at this point. I am not sure that in this situation if giving more counter steering imput would lead to a lowside or not.

02-06-2007, 06:45 PM	#14
animal Posts: n/a	brendan, you haven't given a definitive situation. I think that if you want a more definitve answer, you should desribe the actual turn in question. There are too many variables being left out to give you a clear and concise answer. Uphill, level, or down hill? Decreasing Radius, constant, Increasing radius? street or track? Is the bike running wide or is the corner speed too slow? Is the rider trail braking or not? etc.etc.etc.?

02-06-2007, 06:57 PM	#16
wanderer Posts: n/a	Press in direction of turn. It really is that simple. If you're running wide in a turn, look as far as you can and press in same direction. Yes, it's countersteering. Very miniscule amount but that's all it takes. Your mind doesn't want to hear that your front tire isn't going in the direction of the corner, but that's how it works. It just takes time and practice to really make it work well for you.

02-06-2007, 06:58 PM	#17
animal Posts: n/a	Look through the turn more. You'd be suprised what the bike will do. If that's not enough, pull the bike down more with your body, outside leg pull and dropping the inside shoulder. Usually people that lean more end up realizing that the bike will handle and have to change thier shorts. In regards to all the countersteering talk, that should all be done on the entrance of the turn. After that, I would do my best to not make any more input to the bars at the apex. There are other things that are less subtle that will turn the bike. Countersteering at the apex is too much input.

02-06-2007, 07:05 PM	#19
SPACEBOY Club Racer Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 2,204 iTrader: (1) Rep Power: 6 (40)	Max lean is also a relative term. As Steve pointed out you may feel like you are maxed out but the bike usually can take a fair amount more lean if you have the balls for it. So maybe the term "max lean" in the original post is a little misleading.